is there anything more sad than those males who self identify as Male Feminists?

Makes me wonder how they lost all that testosterone. I guess it was when they surgically had their balls removed.
Its the most pathetic way to try to pick up women. Acting like you like everything they do and have the same thoughts.
I will never not be convinced those so called men are not just making fools of themselves for no other reason but to try and pick up women that dont even like them in the first place

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Doomflower · 36-40, M

You: men who are feminists are simps and women get special rights! The wage gap isn't real!

Reality:
Feminism helps everyone including cis men who are harmed by many of the same toxic gender stereotypes as women. Men who are feminists = people who know what's good for them.

People who can get pregnant have had their right to bodily autonomy under attack for ... *checks notes* ... literally all of human history. What special rights are you talking about??

I'll give you that the wage gap is something I don't fully understand and it seems to me like a minimal thing.

However, take into account the expense and physical/emotional toll of having a menstrual cycle. The time and the effort it takes to maintain a body that menstruates is a legit detriment to quality of life. I am speaking from experience. Menstrual products might not be prohibitively expensive, but add the insult of a LUXURY tax to that. People who menstruate are getting nickled and dimed!!

Then there is missed work and if a person with a uterus decides to get pregnant there are tons of expenses there, not just financial but physical and emotional as well. Pregnancy can make you lose your teeth and your hair.

Ths expectations on appearance are insane as well. Yeah, guys have their own toxic appearance culture but holy crap it is NOTHING compared to what women deal with.

Don't even get me started on the pink tax!!!

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

BohemianBoo · M

@Doomflower [quote]Feminism helps everyone including cis men who are harmed by many of the same toxic gender stereotypes as women.[/quote]

Incels will talk about how divorce court favors women, then say we need to go back to strict gender roles.
Irony!

Doomflower · 36-40, M

@BohemianBoo yeah they want trad wives but don't even know the first thing about being trad husbands.

Torsten · 36-40, M

@BohemianBoo sure just ignore the very real issues against men in family law. It aint important. all those fathers committing suicide after losing rights to their children and those children losing a loving parent is no biggie.
Lets hope you never experience it, because like many others. You would be fucked

BohemianBoo · M

@Torsten Bruh... that's the point. The reason the courts are biased against men is because of traditional gender roles. Feminism is good for men! Feminists recognize that someone isn't a better parent just because they're a woman.

Torsten · 36-40, M

@BohemianBoo oh feminism is good for men? so i ask again where are the feminists fighting for men with family law? there is none because that would go against women. Mens rights are a joke to them.
Feminism is not good for men because feminism is not about equality anymore

BohemianBoo · M

@Torsten That's just not true. There are feminist organizations that have fought for equality in the courts.
https://momsforsharedparenting.org/divorce-feminism/

Torsten · 36-40, M

@BohemianBoo never heard of it.
I am not saying there are not people out there who are against the bias of men in family law, because there is. But when it comes to feminism generally mens rights are treated as a joke.
And let me tell you experiencing family law myself for years. most people do not support men there. Everything goes against men. hell even criminal law is used as a weapon in it. I know that all too well.
There is many systems in place to disadvantage men that women use very fast.
My best mate committed suicide from experiencing it himself when his child was taken from him.
So when it comes to family law, i am extremely bitter about it.
There is no real help for men there

Doomflower · 36-40, M

@Torsten since beginning to medically transition I've come to realize just how little care is given to men's mental health. Like, I always knew it was bad but seeing how much my mentality has improved has highlighted how many men around me are suffering. Toxic masculinity is part of the reason for that because it discourages men from getting help.

Guess what?

Feminism is against toxic masculinity too! It's for men's mental health. Women are not the enemy my dude!

You've been hurt, I get it. I've been hurt too, by men! Men who did stuff to me that violated my body and scarred my soul. I've also been hurt by women but those people who hurt me are individual people. It's not all men, all women, all other genders, or all humans.

BohemianBoo · M

@Torsten [quote]But when it comes to feminism generally mens rights are treated as a joke.[/quote]

Yeah, because the so-called MRA guys will talk about problems that face men, but their solution is to reinforce strict gender roles, which are actually the cause of the problems in the first place. They also believe legit any fake news story or conspiracy theory that has an anti-feminist theme. The movement is a clown show.

Torsten · 36-40, M

@BohemianBoo activists are jokes all around

BohemianBoo · M

@Torsten Some of them, sure. But the feminist movement is based on actual issues and solutions. Whereas the MRA movement is based on shooting themselves in the dick by reinforcing the problems they're complaining about.

Torsten · 36-40, M

@BohemianBoo most activists are jokes including feminist activists

ninalanyon · 61-69, T

@Doomflower [quote]the wage gap is something I don't fully understand and it seems to me like a minimal thing.
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The gap is not minimal, not even here in Norway where equality is, theoretically, very good and where the majority of women work.

Doomflower · 36-40, M

@ninalanyon yeah thats why I didn't use definitive language.