is there anything more sad than those males who self identify as Male Feminists?

@BohemianBoo this thread hit a little too close to home for you huh

@Torsten Well it is concerning that the incel movement has contributed to the current fascist movement in America.
So yeah, a bit close to home.

@BohemianBoo one could argue that male feminists are infact real incels because women dont want them at all

@Torsten not true. I love men who champion for equality. Nothing hotter.

@LilithoftheTrees haha but they dont champion for equality. Not really anyway. They dont care about giving women special treatment like they claim. They just have no other way of getting with women except to be what they think women want

@Torsten Ya know, it's funny, on the one hand, Incels claim that women don't want men who support women's rights. Instead, women want the super trad men.
But on the other hand, Incels claim to be super trad men. So... why are they still Incels?

Some of them take it even further and say that women shouldn't be allowed to vote because they vote Democrat. But if the Righties are the Alphas, then shouldn't women vote for them?

Curious!

@Torsten who is they/ who are you talking about here, in your daily life what have been your experiences? For example there are many feminist men who are championing for women's rights in Iran. In South Africa there are feminist men who protest and fight for the rape and murder rates of women. So who are you talking about specifically?

@LilithoftheTrees He's talking about the imaginary "woke mob" from the anti-sjw movement which ended like six years ago.

@LilithoftheTrees male feminists.
In certain countries where women actually dont have equal rights, no doubt there is what you are talking about and i am all for supporting that because equal rights should be given to everyone.
I am speaking more in places where you hear the most complaining and that is places like America for example

@BohemianBoo dont try speaking for me. We both know you make up shit like nothing else

@Torsten Example?

@Torsten I’m not in America, so I can’t comment on daily interactions with people, but didn’t America just make termination of pregnancy illegal in many states? What does that tell anyone about women's rights?

@LilithoftheTrees neither am I. I am sure you know about the supposed wage gap to know if its real or not.
It tells me that a lot of people dont support murder

@Torsten really that’s what you got? Come on bro. You can do better than that. So you’re talking about America then say you aren’t in America then change back? What’s up with that?

What are you actually trying to say in simple terms because I’m struggling to follow clearly?

@LilithoftheTrees the wage gap is not just in America, Its a big topic there for sure but its spread to other countries like the one i am in.
This is not complicated.

@LilithoftheTrees So I'm gonna be super duper charitable to Torsten here.

What he probably means when he talks about the wage gap is a myth that women get paid less for doing the same work as a man, all else being equal. That wage gap isn't real.
However, women do make less money overall because most higher-paying positions and fields are traditionally filled by men. And due to systemic sexism, women are gatekept out of these jobs. So there is a wage gap, but it's more complicated than people think.

@BohemianBoo dont speak for me

@Torsten Bend over.

@BohemianBoo quit fantasizing over me. it aint ever going to happen

@Torsten Look, I know literally all of your Alt-Right talking-points. I was literally alive in 2016. So I know what you mean when you talk about the wage gap. Now go dab on a Feminist. Tell them there are only two genders or something.

@Torsten [quote]everything is alt-right to you. [/quote]

@BohemianBoo yes nothing like a dumb meme to prove you know jack shit

@BohemianBoo male feminists and their stupid memes. Its hilarious