Which holy book is more authentic? 😯😯😯

@Tariki ❤️ Jesus in the Bible is not about experience, feelings, or happiness but about the creator of the universe who reached down with his own arm to save us from certain death. None of us know if we will be alive tomorrow.

It is urgent that we repent, and seek God because if the Bible is right, where will we be if we die today? I care about you and beg you to reconsider, and I have many posts about what God has done in my life, and miracles too, when I trusted in him.

Right now Satan tries to pull people away from God. He says "any god will do if it makes you happy" This is a lie, and it will not make you happy in the end! There is one who payed your pardon, ONE, Jesus, Gods Son. 🙏

@Carazaa Thanks once again for your OWN [i]experience[/i] of what your choice of Holy Book teaches according to YOUR interpretation.

Please stop patronising others by saying such jejune things as "its not about feelings and happiness". Of course its not. That you seem to assert/imply that I think it is simply demonstrates how poor I have been in expressing myself - or maybe your poor comprehension.

Thank you

@Tariki [b][quote][big]For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. Ephesians 6:12 [/big][/quote][/b]

@Carazaa Nothing changes the fact that you consider you are "winning" the struggle, while those who dispute with you are losing.

@Tariki

❤️ Dear, I am just saying that we can't both be right.
If you are right and I am wrong, I have lost nothing, I will be dead in the ground and I won't go to heaven, I would have worked to help people my whole life, and tried every day to put me after everyone, and I have a happy family. If you are wrong then please consider what will happen to you after you die.

@Carazaa Sorry, you have a seriously limited idea of possibilities. How about dying and confronting Allah who them asks why you never fulfilled the five pillars of Islam? Or you find yourself reborn for yet another life of suffering because you never made use of your life to understand the Dharma.

It is simply NOT a question of "right" and "wrong" (belief) but of how Grace is [i]realised. [/i] As [i]given[/i], pure gift, [b][i]or[/i][/b] of having the thought that you have "accepted" an offer and are of the "true" faith - in effect a salvation [i]by works[/i].

Grace is Universal. It is not in the possession of your own creed.

@Tariki Allah requires work to get to heaven, like[i] all[/i] religions except Jesus who did the work for us when he took our work on his shoulders, and said "It is finished" We have to do nothing except put our trust in him to go to heaven.

Why do many Buddists wear a Buddha necklace around their neck? Is it not for good luck, is it not a work in exchange for blessings?

Here is a boy who was a Buddist and was saved.

[youtube=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ucJ2m5WcNI]

@Carazaa Your ignorance of any creed but your own is palpable. To be honest I recognise now that seeking to explain how pure Grace is at the heart of ALL reality and that in fact your own understanding is in effect a "salvation by works" is virtually pointless. Maybe such is not able to be comprehended by the "natural man"?

Please, try not to keep trusting in YOUR trust.

Thank you

@Carazaa I'll explain the pointlessness.

Go back and read the context of my mention of Allah. Instead of staying with that context you now strike off on a fresh tangent, my own point totally unaddressed/unanswered. Did you even consider it?

You simply present a moving target, incapable of facing serious questions.

Pointless.

@Carazaa A final word regarding your claim about all religions "requiring work".

[i]By God's grace alone is God to be grasped. All else is false, all else is vanity.[/i] (Guru Nanak of the Sikh Faith)

[i]They who have known God have known also this one certainty; that it was God's grace that led them to it, and framed them in readiness for it, and prepared their heart and mind for it; and it was God alone who lifted them to that embrace.[/i](Swami Abhayananda of the Hindu faith)

As far as my own Pure Land faith, it is for me the purest, clearest and most explicit expression of Grace as the ultimate reality.

Possibly now you will switch trajectory once again. "Only in Jesus" or some such. Which gets us back to what millions of Christians are now recognising, the Universal Christ whose "work" on the Cross can never be limited to ANY creedal affirmation or belief. Why would anyone seek to think otherwise?

@Tariki

❤️ I present a moving target? I have tried to be as detailed explaining my faith, but I have asked you many questions that have yet to be answered!
Please answer these!

1. - Why is there evil? What is the answer to evil in the world?

2. - Is your God Just? Or will you say, there is no evil? Then where is the justice for the murdered, raped, abandoned, victims, starving, etc?

3. -Hitler murdered 6 million or more Jews. He will face Jesus the day his body is raised from the grave. What does Buddah say will happen to Hitler?

4 -How does Buddha answer Hitler? My God is just. For every evil thought, there is a punishment. Jesus didn't die for nothing. Are you saying there is no punishment for Hitler?

5. -How does Buddah treat someone who steals or intentionally hurt his family? Jesus says love your enemies and pray for those who despitefully use you.

6. - What are the reasons for a good man suffereing? God answers that in the book of Job. What does Buddah say is the reason why a good man is suffering?

7. - If your child is dying, what do you say that you [b]know [/b]will comfort him in his pain?
Jesus promises that
[b][quote]"To be absent from the body, is to be present with the Lord"[/quote][/b] He says "[quote][b]I go and prepare a mansion for you in heaven"[/b][/quote]

@Carazaa
I was just reading people’s comments
And I just so happened to read yours.
I hope you do not mind me joining this conversation🍀

As a Muslim I sincerely agree with most of the points you just mentioned considering both Christianity and Islam are abrahamic religions.(the only difference is that I worship one God by “literal” means and while I view Jesus as a mighty prophet born of a Virgin who came before prophet Mohammed and spread the same message of monotheism to worship the one God in heaven , I do not believe he is God as to me God is not begotten nor does he beget and doesn’t take human form )

However you said

“ Hitler murdered 6 million or more Jews. He will face Jesus”

Why is the father left out of the equation ?
And Jesus says
“By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.”

If he himself seeks the will of the father shouldn’t we seek the will of the father than jesus ?
he also said
“My father is greater than all”

Let’s say there is a man named X
And the father Jesus and the Holy Spirit
Disagreed on when he should die

The father said Monday
Jesus Thursday
And spirit Friday
When will X die ?

“My god Is just”
If God is just then why did he punish jesus who was crying lord lord why have you forsaken me on the cross
for the sins of someone else? (according to the Christian beliefs )
Imagine someone kills someone and in order for them to be forgiven they need to kill again
Or I go to the judge and I have robbed someone and he puts in jail someone else instead of me !

How does that make sense ? Or be justice ?
But God says in the Quran
Al-An'am - Verse 164
{ No one will reap except what they sow. No soul burdened with sin will bear the burden of another. Then to your Lord is your return, and He will inform you of your differences.}

in Christianity on the other hand you have the belief of “sin inheritance “
Moreover the idea that Jesus died to erase your sins. Which is not just or logical.

Im not trying to disrespect your beliefs honey
I believe you are a wonderful person
And everyone should be respected regardless of their beliefs
I just wanted to comment on a few points

@Islamreligion ❤️

We are sinners from Adam and Eve and therefore we die, we also all sin, every one of us. "The wages of sin is death" We are all doomed. But God reached down with his own arm and rescued us. He saves us. The Bible speaks about One God in three persons: God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit. When we are saved the Holy Spirit enters our heart and then we are changed.

God the Son took the wrath on himself. Jesus was in hell for us, because he loves us. He was as forsaken by The Father as anyone in hell. He cried out in physical pain, and in spiritual pain. When he came down from heaven he became a man, but he never sinned. He did not deserve the punishment that are due us. [b][quote]"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him shall not perish, but have everlasting life"[/quote][/b]John 3:16

Jesus rose from the dead after 3 days, and after he spoke to many he then in front of 500 witnesses rose up in the clouds. He said he will come back to judge the living and the dead.
[b][quote]
"For the Father judges no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son" John 5:22
[/quote][/b]
All sin deserve punishment by God, and so it is just that he takes anyones punishment that loves him. Hee is helping us because he loves us. It is our only hope.

And in Matthew 24 he shares the signs of the last generation before he comes. I have a featured post on this on my profile.
And in The book of Revelation he shares that he will come with 100 million angels and the dead in Christ will rise first, and then we who are alive will meet Jesus in the air.

Here is what Jesus said
[b][c=BF0000]
12And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

13I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

17And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

18For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

19And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

20He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

21The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.[/c][/b]

@Carazaa Yes, you do. Once again, instead of staying within the context of our exchange you move sideways, at a tangent.

In fact I have answered all your questions. Sadly.you appear incapable of genuine engagement with my responses. I doubt that you have tried very hard, content to remain with your own "truth", already found and which to your mind excludes all others.

Our questions are important. We are what we understand. No more.

1. "Good" and "Evil", light and darkness, have one source. As the Bible states explicitly. As the "O Felix Culpa" has it, our knowledge of them is a necessity. The Fall was a "happy fault" not a rebellion.

2. Reality is completely "just", often in ways beyond our comprehension or according to our own judgements. I have total and complete trust in that. I equate "justice" with mercy, as other Christians have taught. [b]Ultimately[/b] they are one.

3. Hitler will be dealt with justly.

4. As for 3.

5. In effect the Dharma says "love all". The Buddha called love the "liberation of the heart". This is eternally. Love will not revert to judgement and ultimate condemnation once our time is up if not "accepted" according to your own understanding. jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever.

6. The book of Job in effect asks us where we were at the foundation of the world. That we are not capable of truly comprehending. The rest is a folk tale.

At heart, the Buddha says that [i]avidya[/i] (ignorance) is the cause of our suffering. Ignorance of Reality, [i]as it truly is[/i]

7. We say to the child, "I am with you" as Christ does. In us and as us. We share the suffering. There are no guarantees or promises. We have trust/faith.

Thank you

@Carazaa To answer further.

In effect your own answers can be reduced to "Him up there will sort it all out at some future date". Meanwhile, we can believe and receive our due "reward" later.

For you, I suspect, the Incarnation is a one off event that happened 2000 years ago. Christ came and then went but will be back one day when His "love" will turn to wrath and judgement for those who have not "accepted" Him. Unlike yourself.

You betray this world, the world God loves, for some imagined "other".

You seem to know nothing of a truly incarnational Christianity, seeing those Churches that testify to it as "cults", as "apostates".

Now strike off at another tangent.