What other ways, besides amending gun laws, could we stop or lessen gun violence?

I’d argue that many will find that to be hypocritical and therefore will become spiteful of it. @xixgun

@xixgun There's really no clear evidence that the death penalty deters violent crime. It's just the state murdering more people.

@GardenSage The dead don’t worry about spite

@BlueVeins The death penalty was never intended to deter anything. It simply let people know that certain actions could lead to their own demise.

I don’t see how that counters my point in any way@xixgun

@GardenSage You seem to have mistaken your being able to read my response as an invitation for debate. It’s not.

You’re part of the debate whether you know it or not. @xixgun

@GardenSage Then make your own post, if I’m interested in debating it, I’ll respond

@xixgun lol I’ll comment and debate anywhere I please. You’re obviously interested in being rude and obtuse about debating, which has wasted both our time and produced nothing.

@GardenSage Well, since you have already violated the first accepted rule of a debate (steering away from the point and making it personal), I accept your surrender. Good day.

@xixgun I thought you weren’t debating?

@xixgun you steered away from the point long ago.

@GardenSage I’m not, as you have clearly lost the debate before it ever began.

@GardenSage On YOUR post, you can decide that, not on someone else’s (and stop looking at my profile).

Probably because I chose to debate with an imbecile.

I have beaten myself. Thanks for showing me this truth. @xixgun

@xixgun If the death penalty can't deter people from committing murder, it's just indefensible. It gets innocent people killed due to false conviction, it costs an exorbinant amount of money, and it screws with our reputation on the international stage. People already know the life-ending consequence that is permanent incarceration and they still occasionally kill one another.

@BlueVeins Wrong on all counts. It was designed as vengeance (yes, as humans we demand vengeance for closure) for the families of the murdered. The actual number of wrongfully executed is minimal (and yes, I would be willing to abide by an incorrect judgment if it meant monsters would be removed from society). And LAWYERS made it expensive. A .45 round costs $1

@xixgun Vengeance is a shitty fucking directive, as the science shows that revenge makes victims of wrongdoing less happy rather than more. Second of all, a study from The Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences suggests that as many as 4.1% of all people sentenced to death may be innocent, implying the unrightful end to hundreds of innocent lives. And that's WITH our robust and expensive justice system and very localized death penalty. If you had extrajudicial killings like that, the wrongful conviction rate would inevitably spike.

If your goal is vengeance -- which is asinine, but whatever -- then there should also be vengeance for all the innocent people your Gestapo ends up killing. Execution to the executioners, and so on and so forth forever. That would still be total shit, but at least it would be consistent.

@BlueVeins My goal is irrelevant, as I'm simply telling you the thought process behind it.
And let someone you love be raped and murdered, and then tell me how shitty you feel vengeance is.

@xixgun Well, your thought process is stupid and I'm simply explaining that. According to a study by the University of Minnesota, as little as 2.5% of victims' families actually felt closure when the perpetrators were executed. That's it. The idea of murdering 200 people in the interest of consoling 5 isn't just evil. It's idiotic and inefficient.