Why do you think certain rolemodels, like Ghandi and MLKJ are endorsed by society?

Even Thoreau once said "If the machine of government is of such a nature that it requires you to be the agent of injustice to another, then, I say, break the law."

So does that mean we should sit passively and protest peacefully where we can? Or does that encourage it for all situations?

Passive resistance dieant mean passivity.

You still have to actively resist. Just reaist without actions or harm.

Example, every weed smoker in the country can object to the laws, but until they are lining up in front of court houses or where ever and lighting up, they aren't passively protesting. Passive protests would mean, throw yourself into the broken system that can't keep you all in jail time break it.

Would you agree that violence can be a catalyst that can insight change?

Unquestionably. Historically its been the only means to insight social justice. Passive resistance hasn't been used for much longer then a century.

But you wander into the debate of camu and sartre. How.many human deaths are worth bringing about a better world?

Indeed how many? Is it better to live unhappy and unfulfilled in an oppressed society of sheep, or attempt to change it, knowing you might lose your life in the process? The lives of the few for the good of the many; it's a common enough idea, but when does it come into play?

"lives of the few for the good of he many"

Remember the civil war killed off 1/3 of the American population.

We aren't here today because if the lives if the few. We are here because if many many people.

Look, violence has its place even in todays world. But where we can, we must find better options that causing thousands of deaths in a short period of time. Like at the Syrian uprising compared to its populous, the its own, the egyption, and the countless African attempts to stabilize their nations.

Use violence as a last measure if you need to, and we are no where close to that.

And the masses of people will always sit by and live in some fantasy. That's what both me and you are doing on this website at this very.moment. engaging in a fiction.

Oh absolutely. I'm not looking to take up arms against anyone at the moment. I was just interested in the philosophy behind them. I'm far too young know if I believe in anything enough to die for it. All my moral grounds have soft, malleable edges that are molded every day into a different shape. I'm still figuring out who I am as a person, it is merely an interesting question that sparks conversation. After all, don't most revolutions start with just that: a question? ;) who knows, we could be starting one right now.

That's all sandy and everything, but you contrarian point is missing foucaults hind sight. You aren't looking at this from the eyes if anyone in an earlier paradiagm.

Remember, the first.police depart was made in Philadelphia because protesters over a.local major election turned the cannons in on the city. Violent protests where all that there was. The idea of union picket lines, was barely aout of reach as early as 200 years ago.

We have grown up in an age where we take this idea for granted. This really was a game changer for the entire world.

Like I said, I'm young. I barely know my own history enough to argue it, but I do anyway. I'm still learning.

I hope you don't stop.