What would a Libertarian society look like?
If you say Somalia, you don't understand Libertarianism, economic, politics or Somalia.
31-35, M
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JP1119 · 36-40, M
Not for me. Some things just work better when we all do them together.
MethDozer · M
@JP1119 Correct, people should be able to choose what groups they work with and when. It means we work in our own chosen groups and for our chosen mutual goals for our communities we build together. Don't see the bad in not being a subject to the state's desires be it for or against our own. Groups ate made if individuals so what benefits the individual benefits the group.
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@MethDozer But what if a few individuals think what’s best for them is something different from what’s best for the group and it’s one of those things that doesn’t work very well if everyone doesn’t chip in?
Is right-to-work libertarian? It would seem to me that it would be, because “rights of the individual”. But right-to-work is a big ripoff. All workers still enjoy the benefits the union negotiates for them regardless of whether or not they pay dues, so some individuals shouldn’t get to choose that paying union dues is not what’s best for them because they’d be getting something for nothing while all the other union members would pay for it. You see how some people might think what’s best for them is not really what’s best for the group?
Is right-to-work libertarian? It would seem to me that it would be, because “rights of the individual”. But right-to-work is a big ripoff. All workers still enjoy the benefits the union negotiates for them regardless of whether or not they pay dues, so some individuals shouldn’t get to choose that paying union dues is not what’s best for them because they’d be getting something for nothing while all the other union members would pay for it. You see how some people might think what’s best for them is not really what’s best for the group?
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@MethDozer That would be okay, but that’s not how right-to-work works. Right to work makes it legal to stop paying union dues [i]regardless[/i] of whether or not they’re union members. There’s no mechanism to stop the people who don’t pay dues from enjoying the benefits that the union negotiates for [i]everyone[/i]. Is right-to-work not libertarian then because the non-payers don’t lose the union’s support?
I think we the people sometimes have the right to decide by majority vote what is best for everyone, and I don’t believe we are obligated to no one but ourselves. I believe in social responsibility. No man is an island. What about Mother Nature? If I’m not obligated to anyone but myself I can go dump my garbage in the lake. That contaminates your drinking water? Too bad, I’m obligated to no one but myself. Some ducks got their beaks caught in my plastic six-pack rings I dropped and then died? Too bad, I’m obligated to no one but myself.
A libertarian world, where one is obligated to no one but one’s self, is lonely and harsh. Every man for himself. You screw up? You get unlucky? Too bad, no safety net because no one is obligated to help you.
In college, I didn’t join a fraternity, but I rushed Phi Delta Theta. They had Republican and Libertarian members (as much sense as that makes), but one of their principles they expected everyone in the frat to follow was, “You [i]are[/i] your brother’s keeper.” I think that’s how it should be.
I think we the people sometimes have the right to decide by majority vote what is best for everyone, and I don’t believe we are obligated to no one but ourselves. I believe in social responsibility. No man is an island. What about Mother Nature? If I’m not obligated to anyone but myself I can go dump my garbage in the lake. That contaminates your drinking water? Too bad, I’m obligated to no one but myself. Some ducks got their beaks caught in my plastic six-pack rings I dropped and then died? Too bad, I’m obligated to no one but myself.
A libertarian world, where one is obligated to no one but one’s self, is lonely and harsh. Every man for himself. You screw up? You get unlucky? Too bad, no safety net because no one is obligated to help you.
In college, I didn’t join a fraternity, but I rushed Phi Delta Theta. They had Republican and Libertarian members (as much sense as that makes), but one of their principles they expected everyone in the frat to follow was, “You [i]are[/i] your brother’s keeper.” I think that’s how it should be.
MethDozer · M
@JP1119 That's where people taint libertarianism with a glass brush. Nobody has the right to infringe on another which is what you are suggesting on dumping.
We are out brothers keeper and libertarianism doesn't deny that, what it denies is that I am YOUR brothers keeper.
A person has and should have the right to work for whatever pay they want. If I chose to work for less than what tour union says I should be able to make that decision.
If you fuck up, isolate yourself by greed and laziness, and make bad decisions and fall oh well. Your bed, not anyone else's problem but your own.
Your frat anology is b.s. Because it demonstrates a group that people CHOOSE to support. Not one they are subjugated to support.
Really what you are debating is objectivist economic slants that some libertarians embrace. At it's core libertarianism is about putting the least amounts of restrictions.on the individual on matters of the individual. You want to smoke crack, build a giant fence, sit behind it and not have to pay government rent or lose the property you own and make the rules on it? That's what it is at it's core. It's about leaving people alone when they are doing their own thing and minding ones own business. Allowing people to control their own lives and live without being subjugated or a cog in a machine.
We are out brothers keeper and libertarianism doesn't deny that, what it denies is that I am YOUR brothers keeper.
A person has and should have the right to work for whatever pay they want. If I chose to work for less than what tour union says I should be able to make that decision.
If you fuck up, isolate yourself by greed and laziness, and make bad decisions and fall oh well. Your bed, not anyone else's problem but your own.
Your frat anology is b.s. Because it demonstrates a group that people CHOOSE to support. Not one they are subjugated to support.
Really what you are debating is objectivist economic slants that some libertarians embrace. At it's core libertarianism is about putting the least amounts of restrictions.on the individual on matters of the individual. You want to smoke crack, build a giant fence, sit behind it and not have to pay government rent or lose the property you own and make the rules on it? That's what it is at it's core. It's about leaving people alone when they are doing their own thing and minding ones own business. Allowing people to control their own lives and live without being subjugated or a cog in a machine.
JP1119 · 36-40, M
@MethDozer Who are your brothers? To quote “Instant Karma” by John Lennon, “Better recognize your brothers/Everyone you meet”.
We all fuck up sometimes. It’s no big deal if you’re already rich, but the rest of us shouldn’t have to be fucked because we made mistakes.
People can’t control their own lives if they don’t have money or power. Leaving everyone alone results in a concentration of wealth, a redistribution of wealth to the top, while most of us slave away for the rich.
We all fuck up sometimes. It’s no big deal if you’re already rich, but the rest of us shouldn’t have to be fucked because we made mistakes.
People can’t control their own lives if they don’t have money or power. Leaving everyone alone results in a concentration of wealth, a redistribution of wealth to the top, while most of us slave away for the rich.
MethDozer · M
@JP1119 Again, you're conflating purely economic slants of some libertarians, with libertarianism as a whole. There's no concrete economic model in libertarianism. There's socialist libertarians as well. Nor does.libertarianism historically support no regulation what so ever. No law. That's a myth. It's just like any other concept, it has it flaws and can be developed into something bad. Instead of the current arguments over politics we would be much better off at a debating things from a democratic socialist vs. Libertrian scale.
John Lennon was a dope and wrote mostly shitty music. What is your brother? Put it this way. My family is more important than my friends, my friends come before aquatniances. My neighborhood comes before my town, town, before state, so on and so on. Sorry but some stranger on the other side of the map is not my brother.
John Lennon was a dope and wrote mostly shitty music. What is your brother? Put it this way. My family is more important than my friends, my friends come before aquatniances. My neighborhood comes before my town, town, before state, so on and so on. Sorry but some stranger on the other side of the map is not my brother.