would you like to design your kid the way you want with genetics or would you just follow the natural way if you could?

@Paliglass well but i would love my kid either way but slow metabolism not being short and things alike would all benefit the child.

@popmol umm I dunno. Alter one thing and you're altering others. Natural selection is generally enough.

@Paliglass well for a completely healthy child you'll have to change multiple things. but natural selection isn't what its used to be since we keep everyone alive with medicine. it used to be healthy strong and smart people could stay alive. people with heart defects or big risk of cancer would die and never have a child not passing on their bad genes but now everyone can seems like we outran natural selection.

@popmol possibly. Just for health reasons perhaps but for intellectual or athletic traits no. However look at Steven Hawkins would he have spent so much time on science if he'd been healthy? He was a very horney man so could be he wouldn't of if he'd been physically healthy.

@Paliglass why not for those? i mean imagine if from our next generation and on everyone had the same IQ and intellect as steven hawkin and above. advancement in knowledge and science would be way faster. we wouldn't know that. yes he might not have spend so much time but he could also spend even more time on it. and think of the time he lost constantly only sitting in that chair while others cared for him. i saw him move once and it was super slow during his entire life every time he took 10 seconds to do a thing of 2 he could spend all that time on science. plus he was lucky to have survived with his illness for so long but if his brilliant mind had survived till 100 what then. we couldn't say.

@popmol To say that people with heart problems, higher cancer risk, etc. would die off and not have kids is flawed and incorrect. People live with these defects and diseases for some time in most cases and even did before medicine began keeping them alive longer ( they are often still quite capable of producing children too). My Dad's Mother had cancer and doctors were convinced she wouldn't last 6 months...she lived another 5-6 years. Natural selection is still the best way because there is no such thing as perfection...nature is just not geared that way. We (humans) are imperfect too. and so there is no possible way we can improve on nature because we are a product of it and not the other way around).

@indyjoe well of course but people who were weak would die way quicker. and with life threatening illnesses and defects that would quickly would kill us will be able to be lived with for many years which i don't know if if its good. and i don't seek perfection but very close to it :p but i wonder if only the healthiness most fit and smart people would procreate how it would change our world.

@popmol I just don't see it happening because those people are a minority compared to the general population of our world anyway (and always have been). Like I said nature is imperfect and flawed itself, so it would only be a matter of time when the old flaws in us would eventually begin to show up again. We would then continue to fight this from happening through further genetic engineering only to constantly be fighting an uphill battle. We have been given certain knowledge and skills that help us live better and more fulfilling/productive lives as it is, to push it farther than that is just "playing God" and is futile if not dangerous. We can overcome and even fix a lot of what nature throws at us, but we are still very limited in our knowledge and abilities. Then we have to add human nature into the mix and that's not always a good thing. In the wrong hands it could turn out to be disastrous. To create a world of highly intelligent "super" humans (and letting all other "lesser" people just die off)...remember that is exactly what Hitler dreamed of and tried to do, and we know what happened there.

@indyjoe the more athletic and intelligent and more healthy ones? yees of course they are a minority because we keep letting the sick live. and create more weak people. this is why the Spartans left their weak babies and sick old folk and disabled in the wild to die.
thats what we are planning. why do we advance? to make it better for ourselves and our next generation so eventually we will always try playing god because thats the easiest way. we all die off. your generation will die and you hope to make yourself a great life and your children i think i'm of that generation and i'll try making it even better for mine and myself. and if i have tro play god to make my child not be bullied because they are short or too tall easily get fat. making their life better by getting any illness or defect out that might cause an early death i gladly will. i would never bring a child into this world if i knew they would have a big disability. if the scans in the hospital show it will have stomps instead of legs it would be wise for me to not let it live and let it live in gony never being able to do the same as others because of the lack of legs.

I can agree with you (somewhat) on the severe disability statement. That's a choice which is up to the individual parents though and not for the rest of us to make. The use of genetic engineering for medical purposes is fine, the flaw with it is that manipulating the genes mostly takes place BEFORE there is even a developed baby so how would scans even show a problem or not? Just because the Spartans left their own out to die doesn't mean it's the right thing to do and not something e should repeat. As for the bullying...the answer is changing people's perceptions, attitudes, and thinking to be more understanding and accepting of others not changing the baby before it's born. You said earlier that your not looking for perfection, but that's exactly what it sounds like to me. There's nothing wrong with dreaming of a better (or even perfect) world, people have been doing it throughout history. And we need to do what we can to make it as much of a reality as possible, but we need to keep sight of the 'real' in the reality.

@indyjoe aah yes. well of course but sadly there could never be law like that because lots of people would be opposed to it. well eventually they can look at your dna and take out the bad stuff. like heart disease and stuff alike. well we'll see about that. theres a lot of things that can be taken out before its even born.
well not repeat but try again but i guess in a more humane way not letting them just die in the open. or getting eaten by beast :p
no not in general for bullying i mean i want my daughter to grow tall so she reach the top shelve not like today where so many woman are so small they almost never become bigger then children. no i'm not but i want to make life as easy as possible for my kids and being short isn't handy at all. in my eyes theres no advantage of being small. if they would be perfect they would be godlike and that seems unreachable xD i'd rather follow my imagination and leave our real in reality behind and make a whole new one. only tall strong and intelligent humans. would make the world way easier. and why would there be bullying in a world where everyone can achieve the same strength and intelligence. bullying comes from difference.

@popmol I can fully understand you wanting a better life/world for you children...🤠👍

@indyjoe and i will i'll make them into cyborg genitic godzillas! destroying the world mhahaha! the perfect children xD

@popmol tall people die younger than short - just thought I'd let you know that lol

@Paliglass i know but for those little years they have less they have all that time in every second a short person takes to reach the top shelf xD

@popmol lol