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Autonomous vehicles are the future! The bright and shining future.

Sorry in advance for the excessively long post, but as you’ll see, I am VERY passionate about this topic, especially since I’ve been personally affected by human driving error, including my own. Anyway, read on if you dare…

I don’t get the fear and panic behind autonomous vehicles. It’s based on nothing but irrational emotion. People cite facts without any context like “self-driving cars have already killed two people!”

Yeah, they aren’t perfect, as is no human invention. But if you do the research and the math, this should—but usually doesn’t, because humans are irrational—eliminate that fear.

Autonomous vehicles have killed two people. Yes, this is true. But do you know how many HUMAN drivers have killed people?

3,700. PER DAY.

Yes, you heard that right. There are 3,700 fatal car accidents every single day. Would autonomous vehicles completely eliminate the problem of car wrecks? No. But nothing would. Car wrecks are going to happen. It’s just a fact of life. Would they drastically REDUCE those odds? Yes, absolutely!

Autonomous vehicles have technically existed since 1984, and they’re only getting better and safer as technology advances. So in 38 years, since the first self-driving car was invented, two people have died from them. Only TWO! Yes, this is a tragedy, as is any death, but not nearly as bad as 3,700 deaths PER DAY! Do the math.

Fine, I’ll do it for you:

As I said, autonomous cars have existed for 38 years, which is 13,870 days. So far, two people have died. So that’s 0.0001441961 deaths per day, or one death every 19 years. There you go.

Would you rather have one death every 19 years or 3,700 deaths EVERY F&@$ING DAY?!? You’d have to be a literal psychopath to say the latter.

Human drivers do stupid stuff. They drive drunk or high. They get road rage. They don’t notice the car in the other lane. They fall asleep while driving. They SPEED! Computers do none of those things. Yes, computers malfunction and sometimes die, but do you know what usually happens when they do that?

They just stop. They crash. They SLOW DOWN. So if a self-driving car malfunctions, what’s most likely to happen? It’ll just stop. And since the computers in all of these cars will be able to communicate with each other, just like phones and laptops do today, all the other cars will automatically either stop or go around the malfunctioning car. Yes, a self-driving car malfunctioning and dying will be annoying, but not life-threatening. Just get the car towed to the nearest charger, hook it up, and you’re ready to go. You might be late to work, but at least you won’t be DEAD like those 3,700 people per day!

“But…bu…but Nick! What if someone hacks the system and causes us all to die?!” I hear you all saying. 🙄

While that sounds very conspiracy-theory-esque and relatively implausible, I will acknowledge that this is possible. Yes, it might happen. MIGHT. It’s a possibility. But people said the same thing about radios. Now we all have a radio in our car and don’t think twice about it. Same with computers. Now we all have a computer that we literally hold in our hands and stick in our pockets. Yet we don’t worry about the world ending because Elon Musk or Vladimir Putin hacks all our computers. Well, some people do, but those people are labeled conspiracy theorists, and rightly so.

The fear of autonomous vehicles is pathetic. It’s nothing but technophobia, you know, like your crazy great aunt sits on her couch believes about aliens abducting her from her TV. Yes, they might end up killing 0.00014411961 people per day, but the 3,699.99986 lives it will save is definitely worth it.

Autonomous vehicles don’t have strokes, heart attacks, or seizures while driving and put other drivers’ lives in danger. If you don’t trust autonomous vehicles, you’ve clearly never seen humans drive.

Like it or not, autonomous vehicles are the future, and in my not-so-humble opinion, that future is extremely bright and CAN’T COME SOON ENOUGH! 😁 😁 🎉 🚗 🛞
BlueVeins · 22-25
As @SooperSarah said, comparing deaths/day is stupid since far fewer miles are driven per day on autonomous cars than manually driven cars. Also, those self-driving cars probably aren't being tested on the same roads (driving on a highway is MUCH safer than on backroads). Still, it's kind of silly to imagine that autonomous cars will be more dangerous than humans, since they'd need to undergo extensive testing and they don't do unreasonable shit like driving drunk or while texting. The task of driving -- at least on highways and in cities -- is far too clear-cut and rule based to be impossible to automate.

I think there are some valid concerns; since the cost of driving will go down, more people will do it, which means more wear & tear on the roads, more noise pollution, more gas/electricity usage, etc. But ultimately, all of that can be alleviated by just taxing car miles (ideally by mass), and Hell, we could even turn a profit off of that.
RopinTexan · 36-40, M
@BlueVeins That’s a good point about wear and tear on roads. Perhaps we could start by having special roads for autonomous vehicles only, which would incentivize getting them, maybe made out of something more resistant to wear and tear, like some sort of metal.

And yes, the taxation thing is a nice idea too.
BlueVeins · 22-25
@RopinTexan Really, the first thing we oughta do is build more bike paths & railroads (in various forms) so people have some alternative to driving every day. Not the biggest fan of having autonomous vehicle only roads, if we really wanna incentivize ppl to buy 'em, we may as well just send out direct subsidies or whatever. Or just tax the non-autonomous vehicles for the burden they place on the rest of society. Whichever we feel like I guess.
Deaths per day is a completely useless metric. You need to take into account the number of such vehicles on the road and number of miles driven. Any small fleet of cars will always have less accidents per day than the rest of the world.

I think autonomous vehicles can happen. There are a lot of things that could get in their way. I'm quite confident tesla will never get there on the course they're on. Firstly, I don't know why they're allowed to beta test such software on public roads with untrained drivers. The bigger issue is that tesla's software is "learning" from these drivers. It's not being programmed to follow rules and laws. It's "learning" from people that break rules, have bad habits, and get into accidents. This garbage in, garbage out approach will be almost impossible for tesla to overcome.
RopinTexan · 36-40, M
@SooperSarah It’s learning from the drivers? That’s definitely bad. They need to learn based on the traffic laws.
@RopinTexan yep. Tesla is a literal shitshow of a company. Elon better pray his cult sticks with him when the other manufacturers leave tesla behind.
MrBrownstone · 46-50, M
@SooperSarah Now do the same with guns.
TH3S10GUY1 · M
There is some driver's ( a lot i agree ) that shouldnt be in control of an automobile.
The roads are over congested NOW even with this Plandemic/Scamdemic killing the few that is ACTUALLY dying from it, & the "3,700" that die in auto accidents.
I'm one whom custom built my vehicle out of all pre-computer bullshit and will be still driving & fucking with all these glitching autonomous shitboxes.

Being born & dying ( as sad as it may be ) is how life works.
You & I wont live to see the day but I'm sure the world will be exactly like the Terminator movie, robots will see humans as the problem & take control & delete the human race.
Meantime, the evil elite rich like Soros & Gates are doing so with all these "viruses".
Fuck Joe Biden
RopinTexan · 36-40, M
@TH3S10GUY1 so YOU’RE the crazy great-aunt I never met! 😂
FrozenWasteland · 61-69, M
Well, call me pathetic and technophobic if you must, but i don't trust autonomous vehicles. Certainly not yet, and maybe never. They are incredibly complex systems, developed, for the most part, by crappy programmers.

I speak as one of those programmers who makes a living writing bad software (and designing mediocre hardware) for monitor and control systems for heavy vehicles. With thousands of systems in service for several years, bugs are still showing up. Some are potentially serious. These systems are complex enough that they cannot be tested. All we can do is futz around with it until we think it sort of works, and fix bugs as they show up.

There is simply no way to test even a fraction of the corner cases that the world will throw at an autonomous vehicle.

And the "steering assist" in my car can't even navigate a smooth line through a curve on a highway, even with clear lane markings to go by.

I like the idea of autonomous vehicles in many ways, but I'll stick to trusting my own skills for now.
RopinTexan · 36-40, M
@FrozenWasteland That’s now. But it will get better as the technology advances.
If a self driver car has a choice to run me over. Or swerve and drive the family inside off a cliff..
which do you think would be the moral choice?
RopinTexan · 36-40, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout That’s actually a really interesting question. However, I would guess that the car in question would be programmed to save the family inside, since they technically own the vehicle. Your car would be programmed to put you first, and their car would be programmed to prioritize them.
Repete · 61-69, M
In that case playing chicken would not be a good idea.@RopinTexan
RopinTexan · 36-40, M
@Repete As if it wasn’t already. 😂
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RopinTexan · 36-40, M
@MarmeeMarch Why would I want one? Because people are bad drivers. That’s why. Also because I can’t drive.
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