I know vegans get a lot of fun poked at them but...they're right, right?

@ReptilianFromPlanetCrush

Hey bud, just a really good job at not engaging with the ethical issue placed before you! 👍🙄

@Pikachu is it right or just...... i have no idea. i do know i like cheeseburgers. and i do know that i really am not concerned at all about what kind of food you eat.

@ReptilianFromPlanetCrush

"Is it right or just" is the subject of this thread, sport.
If you're not competent or willing to examine that idea....what are you doing here?😅

@EldritchFox

For sure. In agriculture we usually do our best...as long as its still profitable.
But it's still fucked up

@Pikachu as i said and you seem to disagree, morality is subjective therefore you too are pushing your personal ethics on "everyone" and calling them unethical. youre basing it on human "superiority" . yes yes, most vegans do seem to feel they are superior. not everyone does though.

@Penny

Well instead of just dismissing the debate as subjective, could you make the case that it is not unethical to eat animals if one has the ability and means not to?

Because that's what we're talking about here.

@Pikachu in good conscience i couldnt. in my experience as a vegetarian for 38 years and knowing friends that are vegan and old. its not the healthiest lifestyle. sure when youre young its great and maybe you will live longer, but i know i am suffering vitamin deficiencies now and veganism seems to lead to erectile dysfunction in men. is it more noble to sacrifice your health for the care of animals? that is a question you could posit. I personally have started eating chicken again so youre preaching to the wrong choir. i dont enjoy eating chicken. i do think about what the chicken went through when i eat it and i dont like it, but i personally see that as more of an excessive moral failing on my part more than i see meat eaters as moral failures. as one friend once said to me, if we dont eat the animals some other predator will. that may not collude with modern animal farming practices but it does make a lot of reasonable sense. no one wants to get eaten. of course its sad that animals are killed for food when they have feelings and such, but the way i see it , its just their lot in life, to be treated as food. life isnt always fair. can you really say its unjust though to kill an animal if youre going to eat it?

eta_ i confused your question as meaning can i make the case that it is unethical

@caPnAhab

They can indeed be raised ethically...but in the end you still take their lives for food when you need not do so.

@Pikachu Whether or not we need to is another debate I think. In many areas of the usa there exists a Food Desert where processed foods and fast foods are all that's available. It's unfortunate

@caPnAhab

Yeah i want to make clear that not everyone can practically make this choice.
I only say that anyone who is in a position to stop eating animal products should.

@Miram

People are too comfortable putting pleasure over ethics.

But that's such an important point: Even if you can't or won't stop consuming animal products...you can consume less.

@Pikachu I admire vegans who do it to decrease suffering.

@Miram

That's my thing: Even if you personally cannot or will not go vegan or even vegetarian...you should still be able to admit that they're right.

@Zonuss

Why?

@Munumbis


....yes? lol
Sorry, no idea what you're saying

@DLight

No one is suggesting we live like rabbits.
But we can have a nutritionally complete diet without eating meat. Even if you want to make an argument from evolution, meat was always a supplement to our diet, not a cornerstone.

@BohoBabe

I think you're mostly correct. I have not encountered any people who can actually make a case that vegans aren't right, only that they don't wanna stop eating meat lol.
Inevitably they will resort to describing how much they like eating meat instead if making reasoned arguments.

@Pikachu We see that happening on this post. 😆