Exposing the hypocrisy of meat based diets

@Torsten Nah. Red meat raises tmao levels, the heme iron creates oxidization pretty easily. That's why they say red meat causes heart disease. It's not just saturated fat.

But I'm still omnivore and I've ate beef occasionally. Just that chemistry is chemistry you can't force red meat to not raise tmao levels.

Plus a lot of the meat community picks out the worst cases of extreme dieting and say that you can't be vegan it's just not true. Not when there's vegan bodybuilders who win competitions or professional swimmers or other athletes.

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@SatanBurger yeah and what about chicken and fish? Both very good for you that vegans miss out on and vegans are never in great health to start with.
We all need a balanced diet to be healthy

@Torsten 92% of people including meat eaters are deficit in vitamins, it's a myth that you'll get everything you need. I've known vegans who do blood testing and they seem to be fine. I'm sure there's lots of plants that give nutrients.

@SatanBurger most people dont eat healthy balanced diets and over indulge. So yeah if you just eat very fatty meats and non stop shit, you will be lacking the vitamins you need. It goes both ways not just one, which is why i keep saying a balancdd diet is best. Meat, vegetables and fruit

@Torsten There's lots of different ways to be balanced with both meat eating and veganism.

@SatanBurger i disagree. If you cut out completely either meat or vegetables, thats not a healthy balanced diet

@Torsten I asked ai out of curiosity and there's a lot of longer lived vegans, vegans tend to live longer than meat eaters.

Old Vegans: Longevity and Health Benefits

Longevity:

Studies have shown that vegans tend to live longer than meat-eaters.

A 2018 study found that vegans had an average life expectancy of 9.6 years longer than meat-eaters.

Other studies have reported similar findings, with some vegans living well into their 100s.

Health Benefits:

Vegan diets are typically lower in saturated fat, cholesterol, and processed foods, while being higher in fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and legumes.

This can lead to a reduced risk of chronic diseases such as heart disease, stroke, type 2 diabetes, and some types of cancer.

Vegans also tend to have lower body mass indexes and lower levels of inflammation, which can contribute to overall health and longevity.

Examples of Old Vegans:

Mike Fremont: A 102-year-old vegan who credits his diet for his longevity.

Babette Davis: A 70-year-old vegan chef who claims her diet has helped her look and feel younger.

Loreen Dinwiddie: A 109-year-old vegan who was one of the oldest vegans in the world.

History of Veganism:

Veganism has been practiced for centuries, with ancient cultures such as the Egyptians and Pythagoreans following plant-based diets.

The term "vegan" was coined in 1944 by Donald Watson, a British activist.

Today, there are millions of vegans worldwide, and the movement continues to grow.

Conclusion:

While there is no guarantee that a vegan diet will lead to a long life, it can provide numerous health benefits and may contribute to increased longevity. If you are considering adopting a vegan diet, it is important to consult with a healthcare professional to ensure that you are getting all the necessary nutrients.

@SatanBurger okay, i still stand by my opinion. Cool if you disagree. Doesnt really matter if we agree or not here. Eat what you want and i shall eat what i want.

@Torsten Also:

1. Cutting a food group ≠ unbalanced

Balance is about getting all essential nutrients—not necessarily every type of food.

People with dairy allergies cut out dairy.

Celiacs cut out gluten.

Many religious diets cut out pork or beef.
They can all be perfectly balanced if nutrients are accounted for.

2. A vegan diet can provide every essential nutrient

The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics (one of the largest and most respected nutrition organizations) states:

"Well-planned vegan diets are appropriate for all stages of life and can support healthy living."

You do need to be more mindful of certain nutrients (like B12, DHA/EPA, iron, zinc, etc.), but that’s not unique to veganism. Omnivores often have deficiencies too—especially in fiber, magnesium, and even B12 (ironically).

3. "Natural = better" is a flawed assumption

The idea that meat must be necessary just because humans have eaten it for millennia ignores the fact that our environments and food systems have changed. We now have access to diverse, fortified, and supplemented plant-based foods that can close any gaps.

4. Plenty of real-world examples prove the point

There are long-lived, healthy vegan athletes, doctors, dietitians, and everyday people around the world. And entire populations like some Seventh-day Adventists—many of whom eat vegan or vegetarian diets—live longer than the average American.

@Torsten I'm not making this personal, I stated I was an omnivore. But you did low key stop by my post to tell others that they can't be vegan. It's like ya'll see vegan posts and decide to tell me about how much you're going to keep eating meat on a plant based post.

How do you tell if someone eats meat?

Don't worry they'll tell you 😉

@SatanBurger i never told anyo e wpuld they can or can not eat. I gave my opinion on what a healthy diet is and i dont believe veganism is that just as i dont believe that carnivore diet is healthy..

Thats funny trying to claim meat eaters are the ones telling everyone boyt their diet. Tell me, when have you seen meat eaters protest out side of vegan restaurants or harrass others whole eating their food in restaurants about eating vegetables?
Radical vegans are the worst and are the only ones who really try dictating how others should be eating. There is a reason that vegans are not that popular and its cause of all that

@Torsten Honestly if vegans make valid points ya'll never fail to say how much you like bbqs. It's your right but it is funny to me how people seek out content just to tell others they'll keep eating so and so lol.

@SatanBurger goes both ways, vegans just go the much more extreme route to annoy others

@Torsten Didn't say it didn't go both ways.

@SatanBurger so what are we arguing in that case? We both agree it goes both ways here

@Torsten I'm not I just think it's funny that I post a valid video which no one watches and complains about vegan diets. They just comment to say well I'll still eat my burger which is just funny to me. Just an observation that's all.

@SatanBurger probably cause nobody likes being told what they should or should not be eating. People are set in there ways and for every vegan out there claiming that diet is healthy and others are not, others are out telling the exact opposite.
If veganism is what you choose, good for you. Who cares what others eat?
Again i commented here just to write my opinion that i think both sides are wrong and there is a healtheir middle ground, but in saying that i dont care what anyone eats other than my family due to me being the one that feeds them

@Torsten If I post in vegan groups with non preachy but informative videos, I'm not telling you what to eat. You have to seek out these posts to comment lol 😆

@Torsten and let's be real you're not watching any videos to really know any other way than what you eat which is why it's funnier that people seek out these posts just to comment lol

@SatanBurger not true. I recently changed up my diet somewhat not long back to match my exercise and body goals.
Every so often i will watch videos on nutrition and so on..
I find it funnier though that people write posts in public social sites and act surprised when people comment on it and dont give a opinion like they were hoping for .
You write anything online you run thebrisk of people with very opposing views to comment and im sure you do the same thing to others posts

@Torsten I'm not surprised, I find it genuinely funny that meat eaters would have to go to this vegan group, click on my post and then comment saying how much they don't care or they'll keep eatimg meat, as if you have to reassure yourself like a baby. Don't watch the video, don't engage in anything meaningful you just all commented so you can feel better lol.

It's super funny, that's all

@SatanBurger you wrote the thread for attention just like everyone else does on this site, yet cause people reply with things you dont like, you complain and try to pass it off like its funny to you. Seems to be a common occurance with your threads, you dont seem to handle it well when people think different to you.

@Torsten I didn't. I show videos if they have interesting stuff on them. That's the main subject of the post. It's you who wants attention, clearly. If people comment on things and they don't stick to the subject but make it all about them not wanting to be vegan, generally about attention.

you dont seem to handle it well when people think different to you.

It's not a matter of thinking differently than me, I engage in myth busting. Sometimes the far right likes to believe extreme things that aren't true. I'm sorry you see it that way though. But I can't do that with and let conservatives treat others like shit. Like immigrants. Whether you like it or not. It's a matter of principle, not thinking differently

@SatanBurger everyone wants some sort of attention here and youre only lying if you claim otherwise.
I didnt change the subject at all. You wrote about trying expose the hypocrisy of a certain diet and i pointed out i beleive there is a lot of hypocrisy with most diets and a actual balanced diet is better.

Its okay though, not everyone is good at hearing things they dont agree with. It is what it is

@Torsten I share things because I genuinely find stuff interesting. I say what I mean. You're projecting, what you're saying is that you want attention and you think everyone posts specifically for attention. I post what I find interesting. I could have zero comments and I'd still post what I find interesting. This video is interesting to me and you've done nothing except complain about veganism the whole time. Learn just to learn, it will do you some good.