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Is God a vegetarian or vegan sort of guy ?

or does he like turkey ?
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Elessar · 26-30, M
Would it make any difference? He was clearly a socialist or at the very least strongly pro-welfare:
[quote]Jesus: I tell you the truth, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God (Matthew 19:23).[/quote]
[quote]Jesus: To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them (Luke 6:27).[/quote]
[quote]Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth (Matthew 5:5).[/quote]

Yet this is conveniently forgotten by the so called "christian" capitalist rightwing.

Therefore, if he was campaigning just as strongly for vegetarianism or veganism, it would be conveniently ignored too. Besides, he seemed to like fish, so at most he would be a pescetarian.
Mathers · 61-69
Picking verses out of Jesus’ teaching is dangerous and wrong. You might just as well use the parable of the talents to say he was a capitalist. Your problem is you are trying to use the teaching to support your own views rather than looking at his teaching as a whole in the context he gave it. @Elessar
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Mathers Feel free to quote as many verses as you want where he justifies billionaires accruing as much wealth as possible at the expense of everyone else, or even taking away basic rights and welfare to make themselves richer after they already have a wealth that is already bigger than entire nations'. I've quoted three but I can find many more that support ideals that nowadays "christian" conservatives would reject as blatant socialism or even communism, if only they didn't come with a bible citation at the end.

Rather, I'll tell you more. the parable of talent itself strongly condemn the behavior of the servant that hid the wealth instead of using it. It says nothing at all about what should later be done with the return from the investment, and it's nowhere in contradiction with "[i]If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.[/i]"
Mathers · 61-69
Your problem is that you can make the teaching of Jesus fit anything you like if you take verses out of context. What you need to do is actually to take it as a whole and to see the teaching of the new kingdom which was coming on Earth with the new king who was reigning who said, “My kingdom is not of this world.” You appear to be totally bent in your views in that you assume that all Christians are billionaires I do not know the ones I do who are constantly working among the poor. Tell me how much work are you doing among the poor? Are you putting your actions where your mouth is? @Elessar
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Mathers [quote]Your problem is that you can make the teaching of Jesus fit anything you like if you take verses out of context[/quote]
This isn't really a "problem", but something that happens [i]by design[/i], as for any and every religious text embraced by any religion that successfully implanted itself in society, versatility is the key.

But asides from that, those verses aren't really ambiguous. There isn't much margin for different interpretations in "[i]He who oppresses the poor to increase his wealth and he who gives gifts to the rich--both come to poverty[/i]", or "[i]either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despite the other. You cannot serve both God and wealth[/i]".

[quote]"My kingdom is not of this world"[/quote]
So I ask you to bring me a quote where Jesus (or God, or anyone speaking for Him) supports an economic model in which the accumulation of wealth is a core pillar for its functioning (i.e. capitalism), and you bring up this?

Sorry, that doesn't really mean "[i]since this isn't the kingdom of god you might as well turn it into hell for everyone minus for a bunch of privileged guys[/i]". All the opposite, the sins you commit here may very well preclude your ability to enter the kingdom of God. Remember, "[i]it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God[/i]".

If anything this only proves my point. You'll ignore heaps and heaps of verses that go against your narrative, just to stick to the more ambiguous ones and try to bend them to fit yours. Unsuccessfully.

[quote]You appear to be totally bent in your views in that you assume that all Christians are billionaires I do not know the ones I do who are constantly working among the poor[/quote]
This is a textbook example of [b]strawman argument[/b].

I've said that there are heaps of self-labeled politically-active "Christians" who strongly and sometimes even violently support an ideology that is in sharp contrast with Jesus' teachings. The fact that there are good Christians (which I've never denied, btw) doesn't in any way cancel out the fact that there are plenty who don't seem to know the very religion they claim to profess.

[quote]Tell me how much work are you doing among the poor? Are you putting your actions where your mouth is?[/quote]
And here's another stupid argument. Or better, a pathetic attempt to gatekeep a view you've evidently failed to counter.

When I'll go around claiming to embody "traditional Christian values", I'll be morally obligated to prove my observation of (original) Christian principles, not before. You should ask this question to the folks that hide behind Christianity to promote far-rightwing politics, not to the atheist guy pointing out that the these individuals have absolutely nothing to do with what Christianity is/was about.
Mathers · 61-69
Who ever said Jesus was proving right wing policies? You are absolutely without a clue. And you haven’t answered my question: what are you yourself doing to help the poor other than shooting your mouth off on the Internet? @Elessar
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Mathers I was pointing out that politically active "Christians" would conveniently ignore any and every point in which Jesus advocated for what they call "socialism", and you were disputing that; and similarly they'd reject any positions about vegetarianism, remember?

And also I've already replied to your second question, there's no need to repeat myself, just reread my previous reply. Maybe slowly, if necessary.
Mathers · 61-69
So you yourself do nothing but race at others on the Internet? While many Christians I know work to relieve poverty. Well done! @Elessar
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Mathers All of this was already addressed before. But just like you'll ignore the parts of the bible that counter your narrative, so you'll ignore the parts of my reply that you don't want to hear. 😔
Mathers · 61-69
I have asked you what you’re doing to actually practically relieve poverty in the world apart from raging on the Internet at strawmen@Elessar
revenant · F
@Elessar I do not think he was a communist
Elessar · 26-30, M
@Mathers And I've already replied to that, your question has nothing to do with what is being discussed here, but is just a way to gatekeep opinions you don't like.

@revenant Good, so you'll agree with me that those who propose similar welfare politics aren't communist either
Mathers · 61-69
Nothing I see. Rage on then. Add to the carbon emissions by the hot air and set light to many more straw men.@Elessar