I just saw something on TV talking about European coming to North America and bringing foods back...
And they talked about Italy without Tomato,
Before the introduction of tomatoes to Italy in the 16th century, Italians used a variety of sauces and condiments for their pasta and other dishes. These included sauces made with meat, fish, eggs, and various vegetables like aubergines, olives, and capers, as well as simple sauces like butter and sage. They also relied heavily on spices and herbs for flavor, with dishes often incorporating garlic, onion, and pepper.
Warning, this is mostly joking, don't take it too seriously...
But is spaghetti really Italian? Or American, as the Tomatoes came from America (specifically the Andes region of South America) 🤪
@Elessar Just to be clear, I agree with you, but I just dislike when people try to argue that American food isn't American, because it was made somewhere else first.
Like Burgers and Fries, yeah other places made them first, but I don't think we can claim the dishes aren't American.
Or Pizza with too much meat... or pepperoni.
But if all that is true (it's not... but if it was, that those aren't American) then spaghetti isn't Italian, as the tomatoes came from America and noodles (I believe) came from China.
@sstronaut I don't know well about the others but I wouldn't say adding a lot more meats to a pizza is enough to speak of a different dish; it's just a different way for making a dish. Otherwise pretty much every country in the world can say they invented its own pizza, especially Canada with those goddamn pineapples
@Elessar They can claim pineapple pizza as far as I care lol
But Americans take stuff and add a lot more meat to it, like Pepperoni wasn't a thing, until we put it on a pizza. A bell peppers and meats pizza which is how Pepperoni got its name, as people would ask for the Pepper Pizza , looking for that Pepperoni...
@sstronaut Oh it's always been a thing as far as I know, it just goes on a different name (diavola). Maybe it's gotten more international, but I'm pretty sure the southerners here have put that stuff on it for longer than you, considering they probably put those goddamn spicy salami even in their morning coffee, almost, lol
The name Pepperoni itself iirc derives from the surname of a guy from here who started making/selling those salami over there?
@sstronaut Oh that specific salami is definitely yours. But different spicy salami existed here long before (in fact they inspired that one) and I suppose also the idea of putting them over pizza
