Do you sometimes feel guilty eating meat, if so, why?

@SatanBurger But we humans don't have to eat meat, do we?

@SinlessOnslaught If eating meat was murder generally, why did nature make obligate carnivores? Makes no sense, therefore I don't think I'm going to hell for eating a cow. Most vegans are spiritual in that sense that they are talking about murder in a very anthropomorphic way, so in an anthropomorphic sense, what kind of a god would make predators then if it wasn't okay to eat meat? Inquiring minds want to know this.


Yup we sure do, no diet is a one size fits all because there's genetics. They actually found that genetics plays a large role in people's habits:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2016/03/30/cornell-study-finds-some-people-may-be-genetically-programmed-to-be-vegetarians/

Aside from that there's autoimmune diseases, allergies, there's a disease called fructose malabsorption to take into account. For some people, going plant based is the best thing they ever done, for others, eating grains and tons of fiber will feel like murder to them.

Again, not saying if you don't have said genetics that you can't be vegan. There's people who are born vegan who are also born with rickets, a disease stemming from vitamin D deficiency (studies show it's associated with low meat intake regardless of vegan dietary patterns.) Then there's babies born vegan who end up having no health problems what so ever. There was one such woman who was vegan all her life, she looks great! Then there's babies who are mostly fed an unbalanced vegan diet but there's at least a few who are fed a pretty balanced vegan diet who end up dying in the news.

The problem with this is that doctors still recommend that mothers feed their children breast milk (an animal by-product) for a certain amount of years.

So no, it's not a one size fits all diet, for a lot of people, that much fiber and carbs can cause issues. For others it's no issue.

@SatanBurger Now I don't feel bad for eating meat. Thank you lol.

@SinlessOnslaught Lol you're welcome. Some people just aren't programmed for it and some people are. I always prefer science over dogma, we evolved to be omnivores for reasons and then there's obligate carnivores. All this just makes sense that not all of us are meant to be vegan, of course you wouldn't know unless you try to experiment or got genetics testing done but you get the idea.

@SatanBurger I'm pretty sure I have low T anyway and I know meat is a good source of that.

@SinlessOnslaught Apparently, it isn't a necessary part of our diet anymore, it is more through personal choice these days.

@CastorTroy It is necessary for some people because genetics while others it's not necessary.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/4-reasons-some-do-well-as-vegans

@SatanBurger


This is a naturalistic fallacy.
You cannot justify something as ethically sound on the basis that it is natural.

Does a lion feel guilty for eating gazelle? No because it has no ability to understand the implications of its actions nor the faculties to act any differently.

You and i do not have that excuse. You and i understand what it means to take a life away.
You may make the choice to continue taking the lives of animals because you like the way their flesh tastes but there just isn't any reason why you can't recognize the ethical and moral issues with that choice.
You're not a lion.

@Pikachu I'm not a lion but we are omnivores, we're omnivores because genetically some of us can't be vegan literally.

https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/4-reasons-some-do-well-as-vegans

With the above link in mind, if we biologically developed certain dangers of being 100% vegan, the naturalistic fallacy isn't being used as a fallacy when it's literally true for over half the population.

@Pikachu
The lion doesn't feel guilty because they are biological carnivores. If they could feel guilty, they'd just die of disease from not eating the way they're supposed to. So again, why are there obligate carnivores if eating meat was wrong.

@SatanBurger

I think you've entirely missed both points i made.
Let me reiterate them:

1)
This is a logical fallacy known as the naturalistic fallacy. Eating meat is not right or wrong simply on the basis that it is natural.
An example which may help to illustrate this point: Lions kill the babies of other males. Why do lions kill babies if killing babies is wrong?
Do you see how this sort of argument is insufficient to justify human morality?

2) You and i are not lions. We are not obligate carnivores so there is no excuses that our biology demands it and this fact is not changed by the minority of the population who require it. I would no more demand that they have to give up meat than any other obligate carnivore.
Additionally, while the lion has no ability to understand or act upon the ethical implications of taking life, you and i do.
So again, while you may make the choice that you value the taste of an animal's flesh over that animal's life, you have no excuse not to recognize the ethical and moral issues with that choice.

@Pikachu
Our omnivorous biology is natural. So where does the naturalistic fallacy end and begin?

Using it would be the naturalistic fallacy if I was using nature as an excuse but as you can see from my link above, there's tons of reasons why some simply can't be vegan.

Japanese people are super skinny because they have multiple copies of the starch enzyme in their salvia. They tested it and found that was the reason why Japanese people can handle a lot of starch while others can't.

Over half the population can't convert beta carotene even with supplements.

These are the things to consider, at some point, using what is natural for your body is probably the logical answer.


Some people don't have a choice as to what their biology can handle while others do.

What if you were talking to someone who was allergic to nuts, seeds, grains and beans? In all honesty, plants are common allergens. It is just as common as lactose intolerance.

Trying to emotionally blackmail people with an emotional moral argument doesn't work.