Neo-liberals went from "my body my choice," and when that idiom failed, they reduced the unborn baby to "fetal matter."

Another moot argument made by the neo-liberals and baby hating feminists is that victims of rape should be allowed to terminate their pregnancy, Rape accounts for less than 1% of abortion cases, and the abortion laws that are being proposed, and the one currently in place in Texas allows for abortion up to 6 weeks - that's plenty of time for a rape victim to decide if she wants to abort the baby. No, women are not going to die because the law does make an exception for women in those circumstances where their life is in danger.

It's not "your body, your choice." There's also the life of a baby involved. It makes no difference if the baby will be poor. Poor babies have just as much right to life as the affluent. Babies born with physical handicaps have just as much right to life as those who are physically healthy. In India & China, selective abortions have killed millions of female babies - substantially reducing the population of girls, but you don't hear any outcry from the feminists about that.

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Theyitis · 36-40, M

Most women don’t even know they’re pregnant by six weeks; besides with all the new laws restricting abortions, when you call to set up an appointment you’re lucky if it only takes six weeks for them to see you. And that’s assuming that you made the call right after you got done having sex, and it’s also assuming that they’re ready to perform the abortion at the initial appointment, which is not a given. On top of all that, some states have laws that make the providers give you propaganda and false information to try to dissuade you from getting an abortion and/or a required waiting period, which would obviously delay the procedure even further.

Women are going to die because even in the states that do make exceptions when the mother’s life is in danger (which is not all of them), well this might sound redundant, but you have to wait until the mother’s life is in danger. So if the pregnancy is non-viable but the mother’s life is not presently in danger but the doctor knows that the mother’s life will be in danger if the pregnancy continues, legally they still have to wait until the mother’s life is in danger before they can proceed with the abortion. Statistically if you always wait until the mother’s life is in danger to perform an abortion, you’re not going to save 100% of those women. Not even close. Countries that put more restrictions on abortions always experience rises in mortality in childbirth.

The simplest solution is to leave the decision between the woman and her doctor. Why is it ever okay to try to force a woman to remain pregnant when she doesn’t want to be? This is not about saving lives. What about when someone is deathly ill and needs an organ donation to save his life? I don’t see any right wingers demanding laws to try to force healthy people to donate their organs to save those patients’ lives, that doesn’t even seem to be controversial. Even if someone dies as a result it’s okay if you want to keep your kidney because it’s your kidney, your choice even though the life of a living patient is involved.

So why do the rules change when it’s a uterus instead of a kidney? Because what the abortion issue is really about is female sexuality. Is it okay for women to have sex on their own terms? Or must they be dependent on men? Do women get to make their own health decisions about their bodies? Or must men dominate? Those are the questions that are really dividing us.

RocktheHouse · M

@Theyitis

Most women don’t even know they’re pregnant by six weeks;

Let me stop you right there because apparently you have never taken a class in health and know nothing about the female body. Women have what's called menstrual cycles. They occur every month in most fertile women. When a woman misses her menstrual cycle, she definitely knows something is up. Most women don't know they're pregnant at 6 weeks? So most women are incompetent; is that what you're saying?

Spoiledbrat · F

I did. @Theyitis

Theyitis · 36-40, M

@RocktheHouse Okay, I didn’t remember exactly right what I had read about when women find out they’re pregnant. A quick Google search indicated to me that most women find out sometime between week four and week seven. That means it still takes a significant minority of women more than six weeks to find out they’re pregnant, and even for the women who find out in week four that’s not much time to schedule an abortion. I read some stories about how women knew they were pregnant. One woman still got her period, it just wasn’t as big as usual. I think it was the same woman that went to her doctor and initially tested negative. She didn’t get confirmation that she was pregnant until nine weeks.

Sure, I’m no expert on women’s health, but my solution accounts for that because I trust the woman and her doctor to make the decision. You apparently think all pregnancies happen the same way and want to write laws based on that assumption. It’s not that simple.

Theyitis · 36-40, M

@Spoiledbrat Congrats. Hopefully all women from now on will always experience pregnancies just exactly like yours.

Spoiledbrat · F

It's called morning sickness and a late period. People can have an abortion up to a certain point. After that it's not ethical so you're argument is not valid imo. @Theyitis

Carissimi · F

Your argument falls down when you make men responsible for abortion laws. There are just as many women, and maybe more who are pro life. @Theyitis

Theyitis · 36-40, M

@Spoiledbrat Not all women experience morning sickness or late periods, and some experience milder morning sickness and a period that’s only slightly late. Pregnancies happen lots of different ways and plenty of women don’t find out by six weeks. On top of that, with all the new laws restricting abortion, the clinics that haven’t had to close down yet are getting overwhelmed, so it’s getting harder and harder to schedule an abortion early in one’s pregnancy.

The way I see it, it doesn’t matter how late you can reasonably expect a woman to find out or how long it may take to schedule an abortion, because maybe abortion is unethical in some situations, especially later in pregnancy, but I believe it’s always cruel to try to force a woman to remain pregnant when she doesn’t want to be. It’s not right to commit a wrong to try to prevent someone from committing another wrong.

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