What are your thoughts on gay couples as parents?

@PatientlyWaiting25 I understand what you're saying, and you're thoughtful. But I don't agree with gay couples adopting because they can't, by definition, provide the father and mother combination that is so necessary. I know many families, maybe most, don't fit the older traditional pattern, but I don't think giving in is correct either. I'm not sure about UK, but I think overly restrictive policies are the main reason kids have difficulty getting adopted.

@Djc59 preventing gay couples from adopting is only prolonging the suffering of kids who need stability and a permanent loving home. I agree that kids need the balance of men and women in their lives but if there is a strong wider support network wrapped around the family there shouldn't be a problem.

@PatientlyWaiting25 I understand that rationale.

@Djc59 from that rationale every single parent should have their kids removed from them which doesn't seem rational or workable to me. If one sex/gender can successfully raise kids on their own why doesn't a partnership of two irrespective of sex/gender make any difference?

@AngelaR80 Like I said, I understand the rationale - but one gender normally can't raise the kids on their own with the same balance that a man and wife together can. The whole of western civilization is a living experiment that has failed in this regard - and it's very noticeable and has been documented.
The usual response is to claim bigotry or some other accusation - making someone back off from what appears as good intentions. But good intentions aren't all that matters. As for the difference it makes? A father and mother do overlap a bit, but they provide different things. Doesn't matter if that comes from God, or from nature - it's well documented and the results are very noticeable in the sheer volume of broken families that exist.

@Djc59 says I'd love to see that documentation. I personally know three single sex couples who have raised kids and done a great job. But of course anecdotes are no substitute for data. I'd love to see a link to your documentation on children of single sex couples vs single parents vs traditional parents.

@ElwoodBlues A rare agreement

@22Michelle so you’re describing yourself.

@Djc59 Well I was trying to avoid just calling out your bigotry, but I'll just go with that.

@22Michelle There is such a thing as bigotry, but generally, like in your example it's just a way to try to shame the other person rather than to discuss on facts.
I was correct in pointing out that same-gender parents adoption is wrong, and how much damage it does to society and to the kids.

@Djc59 said and Again I'd love to see that documentation. I personally know three single sex couples who have raised kids and done a great job. But of course anecdotes are no substitute for data. I'd love to see a link to your documentation on children of single sex couples vs single parents vs traditional parents.

@Djc59 No, there's no evidence to support your bigotry. Loving parents are what is wanted, their gender and or sexuality is of no consequence unless they are trying to force it on their children. And that goes for straight parents as much as gay, lesbian, trans parents.

@22Michelle The evidence is widespread... with the damage of damaged families, reduced morals, kids screwed up. Quite well documented - but of course the close-minded side prefers to ignore it and babble ideologically biased nonsense.

@Djc59 You said specifically

... and it's very noticeable and has been documented.

And I asked specifically to see said documentation. Now I'm starting to wonder if this alleged documentation really exists!

@Djc59 So show us this evidence. You're making claims, but evidence, facts, figures are missing. And let's be honest there's lots of evidence of bad parenting from heterosexual couples before we get anywhere near adoption.

@22Michelle That's true, but it doesn't justify openly accepting wrongful action - such as letting gay parents adopt. Any legitimate study, that is not biased, will show that. No I won't be providing here - but it's easily found, except by those who don't want to.

@Djc59 And so where is the evidence, facts figures that you claim?

@Djc59 OK, I searched, just like you advised, and this meta-study is what I found:

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Family outcome disparities between sexual minority and heterosexual families: a systematic review and meta-analysis

The quantitative synthesis results suggested that sexual minority families may perform better in children’s psychological adjustment and parent–child relationship than heterosexual families (standardised mean difference (SMD) −0.13, 95% CI −0.20 to −0.05; SMD 0.13, 95% CI 0.06 to 0.20), but not couple relationship satisfaction (SMD 0.26, 95% CI −0.13 to 0.64), parental mental health (SMD 0.00, 95% CI −0.16 to 0.16), parenting stress (SMD 0.01, 95% CI −0.20 to 0.22) or family functioning (SMD 0.18, 95% CI −0.11 to 0.46).

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Source: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10016267/

OK, just like you suggested, I searched, and what I found is the OPPOSITE of what you claim. Here's a line from the conclusion: Most of the family outcomes are similar between sexual minority and heterosexual families, and sexual minority families have even better outcomes in some domains.

In other words, the actual data says you're DEAD WRONG!!

@ElwoodBlues Exactly... a nonsense unscientific study, activist research, denying the obvious personal and societal damage. You have your eyes closed.

@Djc59 What makes you say it's unscientific? Did you read the actual study and find flaws in the data analysis?? No, of course not! You only looked at the conclusion and rejected it because it disagrees with your pre-judgements.

Funny how your accusation is a confession, isn't it??

@ElwoodBlues I'm not doing that here. I've done that before... several years ago. That still doesn't excuse ignoring the societal evidence.

@ElwoodBlues is the study about adoptive parenting or all parenting generally?

@PatientlyWaiting25 Here is the link; you can paste it in any browser.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10016267/
There is no mention of any restriction to adoptive parents only.

@Djc59 says It sure looks like you're bluffing. I don't think your alleged evidence exists. If your alleged evidence is easy to find, go ahead and prove me wrong.

Or, if you prefer to keep bluffing, go ahead it's rather amusing!