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Diotrephes That is just it, i would stop whining about it if i had the chouce to leave my kids in the uk and go, or take them with me. What my parents did was selfish and only thought of themselves, i was young my two older vrothers were in their teens, my mum and my mum and dad had an amazing house near the coast, my dad owned a business and my mum and a job at home, earning in the equivilent of 40 to 50k in 80s money per year, we didnt need to go to shitty uk. Bottom line is they were only thinking of themselvea for whatever reason that may be, because it takes a selfish person to drag 4 kids across europe for a job tjat paid less, sale up the house, and move to a council flat ???. No sense whatsoever, and i understand that now more than ever before, now that i have kids of my own, i could never ever do that unless it ws to better myself or the kids, and if that was the case i woupd move elsewhere in the uk to better the family.