Child support

@Torsten So other mothers and fathers and community members have to pay with their taxes for that father's abandoned child?

@Zeusdelight funny because that is what women want with abortions. Will say it again if the mother can kill the baby, the father can abandon it.
I am against both but while abortion is around and when men dont get a voice in that, I feel men have that right

@Torsten To have as many children as they want and make the community pay for it.

Have you ever considered the costs involved - 18 years of bringing up a child v one medical procedure?

You can say it again and again, it still will not make any sense.

@Zeusdelight funny how you just assume the community will pay for it like women dont work or anything.
Guess what, it is doable to be a single parent and not rely on a community for financial assistance.

@Torsten Really, give us the statistics.

@Zeusdelight statistics? seriously?

I am a single parent myself and pay for everything myself with no assistance and if i can do it, anyone can. Stop making excuses for people and acting like this sort of thing is impossible because it is not. Sure people are lazy and look for whatever hand outs they want but being a single parent and relying on no one for financial gain i very doable

@Torsten your situation is not everyone elses.
Look up the number of single parent women as compared to men.
As you alreadyknow, her body has to carry and deliver it too.

@Adrift my point is it is doable and That if women can have a abortion and the father get no say in it what so ever, why does the father get no say in child support?
Again I do not agree with either and think a father should step up and handle his responsibility but I think the same thing with women about abortions

@Torsten why doesn’t a guy do his part in the first place, wear a condom regardless of weather or not she is on the pill. Lets face it, there are more guys who skip out on their responsibilities and go off to new relationships.
And buy the way, I have seen more girls waiting alone or with a friend in the planned parenthood waiting room than the ones with thier partners.

@Adrift and also more women spending time with their children ….anywhere. The store, the doctors office, the park, … except for Thursdays.

@Torsten Wow! You twist things around in your head pretty good there.
All I can say to that one is, Bah ha ha knee slap.
Do you still live with your parents?

@Adrift nice deflection

No actually, I live with son in my own house while not relying on anyone. Can you say the same?

@Torsten laughing and slapping knee again. Ah yah...
I raised two boys and owned my own home, worked in contracting my whole life. Swung a hammer and took care of all the mommy stuff.
I can speak from my own experiences fool.

@Adrift with child support as you claimed

@Torsten Yep, Daycare costs money dude.

@Adrift does it? wow who knew

@Torsten Yeah and so does health insurance, dental care, books, school supplies, extra curricular activities... to which child support doesnt cover.
Its the kids that suffer when when a parent shits out on their responsibilities.
Im not going to argue anymore with a misogynistic male who thinks he deserves a parade and a metal for doing a job that women have been doing by themselves for centuries.

@Adrift what makes me misogynistic? because I think people should not rely on others and think men should not have to pay child support when we dont get a say in abortions?
How is that fair?
but hey im the misogynist for wanting equal rights. Makes sense lol

@Torsten Tell you what, you carry it for nine months, give birth to it out of your dick hole, feed it from your bossoms and then you can have a say about abortion.
Bye..

@Adrift ahh yes because fathers dont matter what so ever and just a ATM machine for you. What a shitty attitude to have and you call me a misogynist.
I am the only one out of the two of us who wants equality. You are just another entitled female that feels like the world owes you everything because of what is between your legs. Pretty pathetic

@Torsten I took a stroll through some of yoir posts your just to see what you do support.
Angry and Pathetic.
Welp enjoy being alone.

@Adrift lol and yet try deflecting from this topic to another. I am not angry at all. You can have the opinion of being pathetic, I am a father so would expect no less from you.
As far as being alone, I am happily not in a relationship but I am certainly not alone