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Woke means being aware of social injustices such as racism.

Communism advocates for workers owning the means of production in a society with no state or hierarchy where class division has been abolished
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Sort of, it sets the "workers" against the people who have built (or inherited) the machinery of production. Before the industrial revolution this didnt exist. Furthermore it (as practised mostly) creates a class of self proclaimed "elites" who use it as a means to gain political control and is fundamentally opposed to democracy. I would argue that small collectives are probably not a bad system of governance but doesn't scale beyond that effectively especially in an age of consumerism.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@CheekyBadger it was seen as harmful by the working class of England during that time, as was it by friedrich engels who lived in Manchester for 2 years during that time. Child labour was common back then as they were forced to work in the same dangerous conditions as the adults
@Guitarman123 I'm sure some weren't keen on the typically smaller accomodations but like with many social changes there wasn't a clear concensus of opinion. Sure there were activists who saw the industrial revolution as just replacing one set of over lords with another - it was the industrial revolution that took power away from the landed gentry who owned all the land and gave it to those who built factories and did trade. In a way it was the start of social mobility as not all the new bosses came from the aristocracy - many had risen up though other means. Engels came along at the latter part of the industrial revolution - when the advances in scientific understanding about health etc were happening, I don't know his personal beliefs but Marxism itself is very much about creating division in society and turning one set of people against another. Like you said
in a society with no state or hierarchy where class division has been abolished
- but failed to mention that the means of abolition was destruction through force resulting in bloodshed. The point of this being to usher in another set of overlords - usually the ones who had planned the uprisings etc - these usually aren't the actual workers, who just get to carry on doing their thing but with new bosses. In UK interestingly it was upper class people (e.g. Lord Shaftesbury) who led the campaigns to end child labour.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@CheekyBadger neither marx or engels said anything about bloodshed or creating division but the working class taking charge of their own destinies by overthrowing the oppressors that are the capitalist ruling class. Feudalism had been overthrown the same way and that's what lead to capitalism
revenant · F
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@revenant what question is that
revenant · F
@Guitarman123 alright we all know now you just cannot answer 😑
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@revenant answer what?
revenant · F
You guys hate the working class anyway
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@revenant communists are vocal supporters of the working class
revenant · F
@Guitarman123 nope. or not anymore. Get out of whatever you are reading and look around.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@revenant yep as that's the whole reason why communism came to existence and why karl marx wrote a pamphlet about it

 
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