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Wanna know something really fucked up?

The reason there are so many many male pedophiles is because for the majority of human history pedophilia was the norm.

As soon as a female began ovulating it was fine to marry her off. This is alluded to in the bible, quaran, and torah.

Modern society is all about ironing out the kinks in humanity; the fact is that behind all the niceties humans are just animals like any other.
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MethDozer · M
A few things here. Pedophilia (attraction to pre pubescent) wasn't the accepted societal norm. Hebephilia(pubescent) wasn't uncommon but generally distastful. Ephebophilia( sexually mature teens) was the norm. Ancient Greece is often noted for the practice of Pederasty, yet numerous historical accounts show this practice was controversial and not entirely accepted as appropriate in the culture. It didn't even last that long before being outlawed in most Greek city states and cultrures with execution becoming a common punishment for the practice.
Pedophilia and hebephilia are near universally accepted in psychology as disorders, there's no evolutionary or natural reasoning that would promote sexual attraction to sexually immature. Ephebophilia however is not considered a disorder, it's psychologically deemed normal because for sexual purposes, the person is a sexually mature adult. just a justifiably bad practice in modern times.

All aside it doesn't really matter. Yes in days past when life expentancies and the path to ones adult life were much shorter and mental adulthood required much less preparation. The practice of early parenthood and sexuality made some justifiable sense. However we don't live in those times. Life and adulthood is exponetially more complex now then it was then. We don't enter our adult lives anytime near near our sexual maturity in today's modern world. Our morality needs and should reflect that. We are cerebral species. We have a far advanced ability to advance mental concepts and shape our world through our intellect. That's part of our nature too, it only logically equated to us being obligated and able to adapt our society structure to reflect our mam made advancements to our societal structure. The fact is in the advancments in technology, socio-economics, and philosphy means that our mental maturity takes longer to develope than it did in days past. I totally reject this arguement( though likely unintentional) for justifying pedophilia and hebephilia as "normal". It's not.


Also you are using religious books as your source for proof. Which are man made concepts as well that have a history of being used to create and justify man-made power structures and hierarchies. They are not good or reliable sources for determining our instinctual evolutionary nature . They are only useful for understanding civilisation power structures.
GJOFJ3 · 61-69, M
@MethDozer Very well stated
MethDozer · M
@GJOFJ3 thanks!
I really wanna see this debate. I wonder what the OP gonna reply with
SW-User
@MethDozer @TurtleEclipseOfTheHeart

Well, there really isn't a debate because i think the purpose of this post was misconstrued.

Im not arguing for pedophilia to be normalized in our society (ew!) , I'm just pointing out that for millions of years it was basically the thing to do.

I know there are levels to pedophilia but honestly im not interested in cutting it up that deep. Past the superficial you can have it; I dont want to get that far in.

I think recorded history is only about 5000ish years. And for most of those years what we now consider to be pedophilia was at the very least tolerated if not outright popular.

And why is that? Because, as I said, humans are animals that have very recently begun to try and take a few fumbling steps to become something more
MethDozer · M
@SW-User It wasn't as accepted or normalized as you think though. That's what yhe whole first half the reply was addressing.
There aren't levels to pedophilia. It's a specific attraction to pre pubescent children. It only means sex with any minor in legalese.
SW-User
@MethDozer what im saying is even if i concede to you that there was the pushback that you say there was,

1. That level of pushback is nothing on how reviled it is today. You say it was unpopular, then controversial, then outlawed? Well nowadays its just outlawed so yeah. They got a grace period back then it seems.

2. We have been here for way longer than recorded history. What was going on then? The trend would suggest that we were probably fucking what we could now consider to be kids seeing as though the taper off pedophilia began during recorded history...


Edit: and yeah perhaps the legalese definition may be overgeneralized but honestly I don't see a point in distinguishing past it because legalese is what we live by.

Commit an act of "legalese pedophilia" then go try and argue in court that what you did wasn't technically pedophilia and see how that goes...
MethDozer · M
@SW-User I knew you weren't argueing for it to be normalized. That's what I meant when I said (unintentionally)
SW-User
@MethDozer yeah i am grateful it is not a thing now, i was just saying that because of the fact that it became a big no no during the course of recorded history, it is likely that in the time before recorded history there were probably little to know rules regarding when it was okay to have sex with a female and when it wasn't.

And that modern man is still adjusting to the fact that in these days there are such distinctions and regulations.
MethDozer · M
@SW-User to an extent. The point is actual pedophilia and hebephilia is a disorder in nature and has a long, long history of being taboo in reality. It's Ephebophilia that morals have changed around in more recent times.
SW-User
@MethDozer i feel you, and you're right.

I'm strongly pragmatist in my views, though, and since the courts do not distinguish between pedophilia and ephebophilia, I don't see a reason to do so myself 🤷🏽‍♂️.

But I do concede that yours is the more factually accurate way to look at it.