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You, Creationist CANNOT provide superior explanations for the evidence over those which Evolution theory can provide. That's a challenge. Come at me.

If you think you've got the chops to debate the evidence then enter.
If you just have a vague, faith-based misunderstanding of evolution then you are going to have a bad time.

Aggressive hook aside, if you are a creationist with genuine questions and legitimately held criticisms then i will be just so happy to discuss those with you😇✌️

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Anton · 61-69, M

There are no "evidence" for Evolution. At the most that which they call "facts" are grossly misinterpreted observation, horribly unscientific theories and deliberate fake. REAL evidence and observation FOR a young earth creation is deliberately ignored, brushed aside and discarded as "unscientific" For instance, population growth curves are ignored, geological sedimentary deposits are not taken into account, even the Doppler effect resonates a young universe and young earth. Evolutionists are just rebellious spoiled children trying to make others believe horse shit are doughnuts.

spjennifer · 61-69, T

@Anton So how come Noah had no dinosaurs on his ark? 🤪

Anton · 61-69, M

@spjennifer Who said he didn't? King Nebuchadnezzar had one and his time was after the flood

spjennifer · 61-69, T

@Anton So how do you account for the existence of Moose and Polar Bears, Kangaroos and the Platypus? Noah travelled to the Arctic and Australia how, when they didn't even know of the existence of those places in his time?

Anton · 61-69, M

@spjennifer Noah wasn't traveling on a luxury liner trying to reach the Caribbean, they were just trying to stay afloat. If you are referring to their woolly fur, Hamsters has woolly fur too, so does Ruffed Lemur, the Japanese Macaque, Alpaca, the wombat and even a Poodle Moth. And Noah stranded on Ararat the waters subsided over months until the plains became habitable and a few years until it settled globally. People and animals could walk to Australia for that matter. In fact, if you drop the sea level a few meters you could practically walk all over the world.

spjennifer · 61-69, T

@Anton Rightttt, so how did Noah manage to get Moose, Polar bears, Kangaroo and the Platypus on board his ark before the flood when they didn't even know of the existence of the Arctic or Australia in those times? It's a very simple question... FYI, it's only 14,500 Km's from Israel to Australia, just a hop, skip and a jump 🤨

Pikachu

@Anton

Your criticisms are too vague to be given any reasonable response.
Young Earth Creationism is precluded by several different fields of science and i'd be happy to discuss some of those with you.
Additionally, i would love to give some examples of evolution and see if you can provide a superior and consistent explanation from YEC.

I am confident that evolution and other scientific fields provide superior explanations for the evidence.
If you feel similarly confident then say the word and we will begin.

chibs · 61-69, M

@spjennifer Isn't it remarkable that every one of the more than 10 million species on Earth lived within walking distance of Noah's house! 😂

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Anton

There are no "evidence" for Evolution

would you like to see some?

spjennifer · 61-69, T

@chibs Exactly, and what of the millions of insect types and all the flowers, plants and trees? 🤨

redredred · M

@Anton Endogenous retro viruses conclusively demonstrate that humans and chimps had a common evolutionary ancestor that was neither human nor chimp. Sorry but you’re dead wrong.

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Anton

There are no "evidence" for Evolution

would you like to see some?

ElwoodBlues · M

@Anton Every explanation has its problems. Andrew Carnegie phrases it pretty well:

“The whole scheme of Christian Salvation is diabolical as revealed by the creeds. An angry God, imagine such a creator of the universe. Angry at what he knew was coming and was himself responsible for. Then he sets himself about to beget a son, in order that the child should beg him to forgive the Sinner. This however he cannot or will not do. He must punish somebody — so the son offers himself up & our creator punishes the innocent youth, never heard of before — for the guilty and became reconciled to us. ... I decline to accept Salvation from such a fiend.”

—1905 Carnegie letter to Sir James Donaldson of St. Andrews University, cited by Joseph Frazier Wall in "Andrew Carnegie" (1970)

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@Anton You said there is no evidence for evolution.

I asked if you'd like to see some.

I asked twice.

You seem to have disappeared.

I assume you don't want to go anywhere near the evidence you said doesn't exist.

I also assume you'll continue making the claim we now know to be false... because creationist.

Anton · 61-69, M

@newjaninev2 No, I am here from time to time, SW just isn't a priority, or even very important to me. If you regard wild speculation, misinterpreted fact and theories which "most scientists support" as fact, don't bother. I have heard them all. Otherwise, shoot.. so I can debunk them all.

ElwoodBlues · M

@newjaninev2 @Anton This is gonna be good!!

Request to Janine: can you post each of your fact bombs as new threads? Just so they don't get buried under 100 silly comments.

I have heard them all.

Gosh, you haven't heard much geology, have you?? You still haven't addressed my question about the radioisotope ratios (potassium-argon, samarium-neodymium, uranium-lead, etc) in the Grand Canyon layers - they give ages of hundreds of millions of years. did God hide all those isotopes there in just the right ratios? Why?
https://australian.museum/learn/minerals/shaping-earth/radioactive-dating/

newjaninev2 · 56-60, F

@ElwoodBlues will do 👍️

ninalanyon · 61-69, T

@ElwoodBlues

did God hide all those isotopes there in just the right ratios?

Of course.

Why?

Just for the hell of it!

Anyone who can stomach the Old Testament God can easily swallow any amount of god just mucking about with the historical record for fun.

Kin shook her head. ‘It’s not a trial. If you don’t like my decision you can always quit – unless of course I fire you.’ She let that sink in. Behind every Company trainee was a parsec-long queue of disappointed applicants. Nobody quit.

‘Right, it’s on record. Just for the record, then, you two were on strata machine BVN67 on Julius 4th last, working a line on Y-continent? You’ve got the detailed charge on the notice of censure you were given at the time.’

‘Tis all correct,’ said Hendry. Kin thumbed a switch.

One wall of the office became a screen. They got an aerial view of grey datum rock, broken off sharply by a kilometre-high wall of strata like God’s own mad sandwich. The strata machine had been severed from its cliff and moved to one side. Unless a really skilled jockey lined it up next time, this world’s geologists were going to find an unexplained fault.

The camera zoomed in to an area halfway up the cliff, where some rock had been melted out. There was a gantry and a few yellow-hatted workmen who shuffled out of camera field, except for one who stood holding a measuring rod against Exhibit A and grinning. Hi there, all you folks out there in Company Censure Tribunal Land.

‘A plesiosaur,’ said Kin. ‘All wrong for this stratum, but what the hell.’ The camera floated over the half-excavated skeleton, focusing now on the distorted rectangles by its side. Kin nodded. Now it was quite clear. The beast had been holding a placard. She could just make out the wording.

‘“End Nuclear Testing Now”,’ she said levelly.

It must have taken a lot of work. Weeks, probably, and then a very complicated program to be fed into the machine’s main brain.

‘How did you find out?’ asked the girl.

Because there was a telltale built into every machine, but that was an official secret. It was welded into the ten-kilometre output slot to detect little unofficial personal touches, like pacifist dinosaurs and mammoths with hearing aids – and it stayed there until it found one. Because sooner or later everyone did it. Because every novice planetary designer with an ounce of talent felt like a king atop the dream-device that was a strata machine, and sooner or later yielded to the delicious temptation to pop the skulls of future palaeontologists. Sometimes the Company fired them, sometimes the Company promoted them.

‘I’m a witch,’ she said. ‘Now, I take it you admit this?’

‘Yarss,’ said Hendry. ‘But may I make, uh, a plea in mitigation?’

STRATA - Terry Pratchett

Those gods I can believe in, just us if we survive long enough.