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I'm in the mood to teach about evolution! What questions or criticisms do you have for the Theory of Evolution?

I'll address them as best i can, layman though i am!✌️

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@Axeroberts asks [quote] is there any DNA evidence showing the steps from one specie to another[/quote]
Short answer: Yes, a ton.

Longer answer below copied from postings by newjaninev2

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Humans and chimpanzees both carry inactive genes acquired from viruses.
This occurs because some viruses insert a copy of their genome into the DNA of whichever species they infect. These are called retro-viruses... HIV is one such.

Where such viruses infect the cells that produce sperm and eggs, they can be passed on across generations.

The human genome contains thousands of these remnants of long-past infections... now rendered harmless... and so does the chimpanzee genome.

Most of them are in exactly the same place on both genomes.
That’s astonishing, so I’ll repeat it: most of them are on [/\b]exactly the same place[/b] on both genomes.

Let’s choose an explanation from a few (non-exhaustive) options:

1. astonishing coincidence

2. when the gods created humans they decided to sprinkle around several thousand retro-viruses, and they put the preponderance of retroviruses at matching sites on both species because... umm... because... well... because... stop questioning the gods!

3. The majority of retroviruses match because [b]both species inherited them from a common ancestor,[/b] who had itself accumulated them from the line of its own descent.

The small number which do not match are the remnants of infections that each species has warded off independently since divergence from the common ancestor... as predicted by the Theory of Evolution.

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All species carry ‘silenced’ genes… these are genes that once caused certain proteins to be produced, but now no longer function in the original manner. Such genes are called pseudogenes.

Nearly all mammals have functional genes for expressing an enzyme [i](L-guluno-?-lactone oxidase)[/i] that allows the production of vitamin C, which is essential for proper metabolism.

I say ‘nearly all mammals’ because primates cannot produce their own vitamin C. In humans, there is a set of four genes that code for vitamin C production. As you may know, these genes are composed of many, many smaller units called nucleotides, so these four genes contain a very large number of such nucleotides (the human genome has 64 billion nucleotides}. The first three genes are fully functional, but the final gene in the sequence has a mutation in a single nucleotide, and this mutation prevents the sequence from completing. That’s why humans need to obtain vitamin C from their food… because the mechanism for producing it has become a pseudogene.

Across all primates (chimpanzees, bononbo, humans, and apes) not only is it the final gene in the sequence that is silenced, but within that gene the [b]same nucleotide[/b] carries the mutation that is responsible.

Now, why would this be?

1. astonishing coincidence

2. when the gods created all the species they put genetic pathways for vitamin C production into all mammals, but then inactivated a single nucleotide from among the four genes necessary for that production, inactivated the same nucleotide in all cases, and did that only in primates. They obviously thought this to be a tremendous joke to play, because we carry around 2,000 such pseudogenes.

3. All mammals developed the ability to produce vitamin C, but around 40 million years ago, in the ancestor common to all primates, that ability was removed by a mutation in a single nucleotide, and the deficit was passed to all primates due to [b]common descent during evolution.[/b]

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Why restrict ourselves to our common ancestry with all other apes?

We can easily go much further back and and see that humans have common ancestry with fish and with reptiles

In a female mammal there is a pair of tubes along which eggs travel from the ovaries to the uterus. These are called the Fallopian Tubes (salpinges). Sometimes when a human egg is ejected from an ovary it does not make it into the fallopian tube. This is because, quite oddly, the fallopian tube is not actually connected to the ovary. Rather, the opening of the fallopian tube envelops the ovary, like a too-large garden hose resting on a too-small spigot. The two are not actually attached, and sometimes an egg gets squirted out of the ovary and into the abdominal cavity instead of into the fallopian tube.

When this happens, it is usually of no consequence. The egg simply loses viability after a few days and is resorbed by the peritoneum - the thin wall of highly vascular tissue surrounding the abdominal cavity. No problem.

However, if an egg falls into the abdominal cavity and sperm arrives within a day or so, it might find this egg and fertilise it. The resulting embryo, completely unaware of how far it is from home, begins the process of growth, division, and tunnelling into whatever nearby tissue that it can find, usually the peritoneum but occasionally the outer covering of the large or small intestine, liver, or spleen. This is called an abdominal pregnancy

Abdominal pregnancies pose serious risks. In developing countries, they usually result in the death of the mother. In developed countries, they are easily spotted with ultrasounds and treated with surgical intervention to remove the doomed embryo and repair any damaged tissue or bleeding.

Despite creationists’ laughable claims of an ‘intelligent designer’, abdominal pregnancies are 100% the result of unintelligent design. Any reasonable plumber would have attached the fallopian tube to the ovary, thereby preventing tragic and often fatal mishaps. An ‘intelligent designer’ would never have created the small gap between the human ovary and Fallopian tube, so that an egg must cross this gap before it can travel through the tube and implant in the uterus.

In reality, the gap is a remnant of our fish and reptilian ancestors, who [b]shed eggs directly from the ovary to the outside of their bodies.[/b] The Fallopian tube is an imperfect connection because it evolved later as an add-on in mammals.

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Unlike other primates, humans walk on two legs (bipedalism). Gorillas, chimps, bonobos and orang-utans amble about using their feet and their knuckles (quadrupedalism). However, moving around on four limbs can be inefficient. On open ground, bipedalism bestows an evolutionary advantage by allowing humans to move much faster than other primates, but that comes at a cost (with evolution, there are no free lunches)

The intestines and other visceral organs are held together with thin sheets of connective tissue called mesenteries. Mesenteries are elastic and act to keep the gut loosely in place. Because we are bipedal, with an upright posture, these thin sheets should be suspended from the top of the abdominal cavity. Instead, they are attached to the back of the abdominal cavity. That makes sense for the other quadrupedal primates, because their gut is then well-supported when they walk on all fours. However, it makes no sense for us... [b]unless we have common ancestry with the quadrupedal primates.[/b]

Because of the stress of supporting our internal organs from the back, the mesenteries can easily tear, causing internal haemorrhaging and damage to our gut, requiring surgical intervention (this is a common injury in traffic accidents… mainly affecting those stupid enough not to wear a seatbelt). It can also happen to people who sit for long periods of time (drivers, office workers, etc) simply because of the stress and strain of the gut being attached to the back, rather than the top, of the abdominal cavity.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues not reading a book sorry. But the short answer is actually no. There are similar species like homo sapiens and homo erectus but nothing showing a specie with DNA steps. Species do not turn into another.
@Axeroberts Good work! If you keep your eyes closed, you'll never have to see the masses of data contradicting your preconceptions.

Here's a bit more evidence for you to avoid.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3838563/
https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rstb.2010.0023
https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/biochemistry-genetics-and-molecular-biology/hybrid-speciation
Dshhh · M
@Axeroberts yes they do,,, go back to the Knowledge, avoid relegious answers
TLDR is no excuse, for not reading things
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Dshhh they make huge assumptions because animals don't turn into another specie overnight. And there gradual evolution doesn't exist. Looking at a bear with different colour fur is certainly not the evolution you think is happening. A blade of grass doesn't turn into a flower. So keep dreaming
@Axeroberts Evidence-free assertions, LOL!!!

Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Axeroberts This is you [big]IGNORING[/big] the evidence I presented, [b]LOL!!![/b]

[quote]not reading a book sorry.[/quote]
It's all still there at the top of this thread, [b]ROTFL!!![/b]

@Axeroberts

I'd be interested to see you specifically address the evidence i referenced earlier because it shows an example of intermediate steps between two sorts of animals in the fossil record and gives a genetic example that can only plausibly be explained by shared ancestry.

Vague denial is not a very compelling position. Will you show that you've thoughtfully considered the evidence and found logical reason to reject the conclusion of evolution?

I can copy and paste the relevant post if you don't recall the one i'm referencing.
It's the one about dinosaurs/birds and ERVs and has all the pictures😉
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu just because you have a horse and a zebra doesn't mean one turned into the other. Two separate species
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@ElwoodBlues the "evidence" is a huge stretch. Change within a specie is not the same as one specie turning into another. And btw sharks have not even changed in hundreds of millions of years. Explain that
@Axeroberts

Agreed. But i don't think anyone contends that a zebra evolved from a horse or vise versa.

But instead of rejecting [i]imaginary[/i] arguments that no one is making, can you please address the arguments that i [i]am[/i] making to demonstrate evolution?

Which would you like to discuss first:

1) the genetic evidence of ERVs which seemingly can only be explained by shared ancestry or
2) the observable intermediate stages of anatomical features between dinosaurs and birds.
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu life and all living things contain a certain amount of DNA to make it living. That is not evidence for us all being the same at some point. Big stretch there. And the last mass extinction of 96% of all life was 250 million years ago. Not enough time for your kind of evolution. Plus even Darwin admitted that the Cambrian explosion had no evolutionary past. God created everything to evolve but not change
@Axeroberts

[quote]And btw sharks have not even changed in hundreds of millions of years. Explain that
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Easily explained and obvious when one understands what the theory of evolution actually describes:

Well sharks have indeed changed a lot over the years but i think we could agree that they remain shark "kind".
But this is not the gotcha question that you seem to think it is. The explanation for why sharks remain largely unchanged is answered simply by the fact that they remain well-adapted to their environment.

Remember: the mechanism for evolutionary change is selective pressure for certain traits.
So if the basic shark body plan continues to be the most well-suited to the ocean environment then what pressures would cause it to change significantly?
This observation is entirely consistent with evolutionary theory.

But just to make sure you don't think sharks have just looked the same for the last 200 million years:

Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu so a shark has evolved but not into another specie. Evidence shows the cockroach is still a cockroach even 500 million years later
@Axeroberts

[quote]ife and all living things contain a certain amount of DNA to make it living. That is not evidence for us all being the same at some point. Big stretch there[/quote]


...but that's not the argument i made...
Let me clarify for you:

Endogenous Retroviruses (ERV) are the result of a specific infection of a host by a virus. The viral genetic material is randomly inserted into a point on the host genome.
When we compare these random ERV points between humans and chimps, we find that those points correspond to a very high degree.
Those points correspond to a smaller and smaller degree when we compare animals that are more and more distantly related.

Explain that.

[quote] Plus even Darwin admitted that the Cambrian explosion had no evolutionary past[/quote]

I don't know if Darwin actually said that but i'm happy to take it at face value that he did because it has no bearing on the facts because Darwin is not the prophet of evolution, merely the first person to bring scientific recognition to the way life diversified. You see, even if Darwin did say that....he was wrong and that's no criticism of Darwin because he only knew what he knew at the time.
Today we do indeed have evidence of progenitors to the life forms from the Cambrian "explosion".

[b][i] "A few mineralized animal fossils, including sponge spicules and probable worm tubes, are known from the Ediacaran Period immediately preceding the Cambrian."[/i][/b]
https://ucmp.berkeley.edu/cambrian/cambrian.php#:~:text=A%20few%20mineralized%20animal%20fossils,Period%20immediately%20preceding%20the%20Cambrian.

That's one example. You can research more if you're interested.
@Axeroberts

Yes sharks have evolved. But you challenged evolution to explain why sharks are still sharks.
I explained it.
Do you have any issues with the explanation as given?
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu it's a virus. This is your evidence. It is obviously not universally accepted. And there is no evidence for evolution of the Cambrian exposition. I guess you can believe what you want. But no one else does
@Axeroberts

It's a random insertion of viral genetic code in our genome that somehow corresponds to the same points in the chimp genome.

The simplest explanation is that humans and chimps shared an ancestor that was infected by a virus.
Can you offer an explanation which better explains the data?
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu they are still sharks. And look up Darwin's dilemma
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu it indicates where the virus was able to enter
@Axeroberts

[quote]they are still sharks.[/quote]

Yup.
No disagreement here. But can you be more clear as to why you think this represents a problem for evolution theory?
@Axeroberts

[quote]it indicates where the virus was able to enter[/quote]

Nope.
ERV sites are largely random. It's not like the virus finds a weak point in the genome and inserts itself there like a cut in the skin or a chink in the armor.
They genetic code just gets transcribed at a random point by the host's DNA.

Why then is there such a large overlap between humans and chimps and successively less overlap as we go from chimps to other great apes to non-apes and so on?
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu i don't see your connections with virus points. we do share 98% with chimps but that doesn't mean we were one.
@Axeroberts

Well the ERVs are inserted at random points in the host genome.
Explain how these random insertion points occur in the same places in humans and chimps to a high degree.

Why is that happening?
It's is easily explained by chimps and humans sharing a lineage which was, at various points, infected by those viruses.
What is your alternate explanation for the observed data?
Axeroberts · 56-60, M
@Pikachu i fail to see how this insertion point has anything to do with humans evolving from some single celled organism. and entropy would suggest that chimps evolved from humans. and not the other way around