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Pikachu I have no scientific evidence for or against god because the existence of god is a supernatural claim and therefor one which science is incompetent to address.
Exactly, but you don't even know what a god is. A god isn't necessarily supernatural. That's a big mistake fundamentalist militant atheists almost always make. It warps your interpretation not to even know what a god is. Just as you would imagine my not knowing what being an ape means when contemplating evolution.
I never try to argue whether or not god exists for that reason. I may have criticisms of the character of god and thoughts about the tellingly human descriptions of god but the "does god exist" debate is not one with which i engage.
But you evaluate that, not on your own personal examination, but as a critic of religion. That would be, in my opinion, like me forming my opinion on evolution through Answers in Genesis.
Creation on the other hand certainly can and has been examined, weighed and measured scientifically and has been found wanting.
At least creationism as defined in the most common context of life having been created over a short period of time as described in Genesis.
Well, let me check - AiG. I've never been, but maybe there's something to it. . .
And this post is meant to highlight that fact.
I don't think so, because you are not going to have an actual discussion on creation as presented by an accurate understanding of the Biblical account. In fact, you would deny such a thing possible. There isn't a great deal there that isn't supernatural that you can go on in that account. You go by the YEC interpretation if anything, it seems, but mostly your argument is that the Bible believer with accurate knowledge doesn't know evolution. There isn't an argument, really. In order for the creationist to have an argument they have to adhere to the interpretation of evolutionists on how "reality" works. Like, saying to me that a discussion on the Biblical has to be in line with the Catholic church, or Watchtower. The problem is that most Bible believers aren't any more interested in evolution than the evolutionist is the Bible.
It is, as I pointed out, like a scientist from another field arguing with a molecular biologist about isolation of a virus. Pointless and embarrassing. I can say that from personal experience. Only the participants in the Creation vs Evolution debate don't seem to realize that because they never have an actual discussion. Here I'm talking about the sorts of debate and discussion on forums. I don't actually watch formal debates. I never have. Not one. I've seen bits and pieces and I can only say the ones representing creation are always traditional apostate Christians who don't know the Bible and try to tackle the debate by applying to science. Thus my disinterest.
Of course, you think that science is reality. Not a self correcting (usually wrong) investigation. We are just dumb if we don't agree with science. But the science my 7th grade science teacher agreed with isn't science today and the science you agree with today will be gone tomorrow. However, the Biblical criticisms he peppered his sermons with I now know are the same inaccurate ones you and other unbelievers offer. You can only comment on science based "reality" in hindsight and that will always reflect poorly on science. It's making science a belief system.
Each one of the above points is uncontentious and observable in the "real world" as you like to call it. There's nothing in there with which a creationist must take issue on the grounds of their faith.
And the Bible's position on stealing, murder, adultery, lying etc. are compatible to your sense of morality. So what?
But taken together, those points add up to the science of evolution so the creationist must ask themselves why, if all parts of the theory are demonstrably, observably factual, that the conclusion is somehow unfounded....
Why would they have to do that if there's nothing there to take issue on the grounds of their faith?
And you're argument is supposed to be the logical and reasonable one based upon the "real world?" In my world I see language simplifying and the Biblical kind. I don't see evolution. Except in the distant imaginary past or future of evolutionists. Can you see the harmful effects of stealing, lying, adultery, murder etc?
