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Science Vs Theology

I begin this thread with a response to a post made off topic and in a forum where the topic isn't particularly appropriate.

@BlueSkyKing

Science is a method that is applied to nature.

How is it applied to nature, is it infallible, and does the method work with the supernatural?

Which has an annoying habit of working.


Conjectural. It also has an "annoying habit" of not working.

To call something a legitimate theory, it mean models can be designed and tested. Can’t design any? Then you don’t have a theory, just wishful thinking and speculation.

Then a model designed is wishful thinking and speculation and the test is fallible, possibly biased to appeal to dogmatic peer review, corrupted due to conflict of interest, especially resulting from funding, possibly misrepresented through publishing? What you have to understand about my approach is that I see great potential in science just as I do theology but I'm also very skeptical of both due to their obvious weaknesses.

So, when you talk to me I can give you stunning examples of those weakness in theology. Can you give the same for science? Because I can see them in science. I don't hear those sort of discussions from science enthusiasts. In fact less than I hear them in enthusiasts of theology. Keeping in mind the important distinction between "science" and "theology" and their respective enthusiasts.

Evolution has evidence that’s equal to gravity being factual.


Factual? Can the factual correct itself? Is science self correcting? Evidence? The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.


This evidence is detectable, measurable, observable, testable, and falsifiable. Yeah, that’s a lot of -ables.

And the detection, measuring, observation, testing and falsifiability are infallible?

Models have been made and the results show evolution is true.

What, then, is evolution? Change? Like climate change?
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BibleData · M
@ElwoodBlues
Your making a major false assumption here. You want science to be a collection of narratives or or assertions or something. That's not what it is.

You aren't seeing the not so subtle nuances intended in the thread, are you? They aren't about people doing science, they are about ideological fixation.

Science is not a collection of theories or equations or explanations of nature or whatever. Science is the method that tested those theories or equations or explanations or whatever.

Okay. Sounds great. How come science is supposed to be about debate and you aren't supposed to question religion but if you compare the proponents of the two you see pontifical fanatics incapable of handling constructive criticism in the former (those for science) and vigorous debate in the later (those for religion)?
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@BibleData
science is supposed to be about debate

Science is about evidence
@BibleData
They aren't about people doing science, they are about ideological fixation.
The best way to get published in science is to find a flaw in an accepted explanation; i.e. falsify a theory.

Questioning the existing order is, in fact, the ideological fixation of scientists - design experiments or observations that find something new, something that doesn't fit into the accepted explanations. But it's gotta be repeatedly observable and/or testable.
BibleData · M
@ElwoodBlues
The best way to get published in science is to find a flaw in an accepted explanation; i.e. falsify a theory.

Questioning the existing order is, in fact, the ideological fixation of scientists - design experiments or observations that find something new, something that doesn't fit into the accepted explanations. But it's gotta be repeatedly observable and/or testable.

Recent examples of that in practice, please?
@BibleData No prob!

These guys attempted to falsify general relativity with 16 years of observations of a pair of pulsars that orbit each other. unfortunately, the attempt failed, leaving GR stronger than ever.
https://www.space.com/einstein-general-relativity-passes-pulsar-test

"An intriguing signal from the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) might prove to be the crack that prises apart the standard model — physicists’ current best description of how matter and forces interact."
https://www.nature.com/articles/nature.2015.18307

"Why the standard model of particle physics seems to be broken"
https://thenextweb.com/news/why-standard-model-of-particle-physics-is-broken

"The increasingly bushy human family tree and five other paradigm-altering changes in our understanding of human evolution"
https://geneticliteracyproject.org/2022/11/02/the-increasingly-bushy-human-family-tree-and-five-other-paradigm-altering-changes-in-our-understanding-of-human-evolution/
BibleData · M
@ElwoodBlues How do these things affect everyday life? I gave two examples somewhere. Fat and mRNA Vaccines.