Learning Evolution

@BlueSkyKing Do facts evolve into non-facts?

@AkioTsukino
In your case, yes. And it’s not random, it’s deliberate.

@AkioTsukino [quote] I set aside my beliefs entirely to learn evolution and you people can't do it.[/quote] Then don’t ask learn it from us. We’re mostly lay people. There are plenty of established authors from various fields. Dawkins' [i]The Greatest Show on Earth[/i] was held up by the publisher because wanted to add a chapter based on new evidence. You want it simple? Go with the mythology and fiction. Science uses models and conducts tests. It’s never simple.

@BlueSkyKing First of all, smart asses who think that the Bible is mythology and fiction are a dime a dozen. I've seen that with my own eyes. What they need to do before they tell me about mythology and fiction is quite simple. They need to learn more about mythology and fiction.

I've debated college professors from Jerusalem who didn't know their asses from a hole in the ground because they were dumb enough to think that being a scholar on the subject would make them knowledgeable. All it did was fill their head with tradition. Dawkins is an idiot. All you have to do is listen to him talk about the Bible and religion to see that. People like you listen to him. What does that tell you?

Even Hitchens, who at least was sensible and intelligent and possessed a modicum of integrity did a book tour with Al Sharpton. What does that tell you about the state of affairs? People like Hitchens and Dawkins make money off God. Like Jim and Tammy Baker did. You can't find truth in books or in schools. You can't find it very often in people. Scholars or lay people. You can't find truth in truth. You have to look through a thing to see it.

If you want to learn about fish in the Amazon you go to the people who live on the Amazon. If there is a sensible ichthyologist that's what he does. I can get more from Wikipedia than I can from someone like Dawkins. And in at least some sense, I can get more from lay people than there. I wanted you to teach me evolution because I wanted to know why you believe in evolution. Not evolution itself.

I got what I came for. I didn't really have that answer coming into this. I didn't expect it. There was more to it than I suspected, at least. It's disappointing, as truth often is.

I've always wanted to say this . . . ahem . . .

"When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea." Research that. It will be fun.

[Walks away]

@AkioTsukino The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, passing tests and falsification. Not one person suggesting an alternative theory has tried to design an alternative model.

Truth can be tested and demands it. Tell me there's absolutely zero magic events. That nothing made up and exaggerated whatsoever. You can’t. The Bible reads exactly like mythology, full of it’s heroes and villains.

@BlueSkyKing [quote]The evidence for evolution is overwhelming, passing tests and falsification. Not one person suggesting an alternative theory has tried to design an alternative model.[/quote]

Here's the real question, sir. What exactly makes you think that I object to evolution?

Do me a favor, would you? Look up, in a dictionary, the words evidence, model, theory and truth. These are the things you are talking about. Read very carefully. Meditate on them. Take a minute.

I never intentionally memorize scripture. You know why? Because the mind, the brain if you like, fools us, in a way. Not only that, we fool ourselves independent of our own minds. I also very often look up the meanings of words I want to use even if I [b]think[/b] I know how to apply them. Even simple commonly used words.

[quote]Truth can be tested and demands it.[/quote]

Truth can be tested but the test demands to be tested more than the truth. That is where evolutionists screw it up.

[quote]Tell me there's absolutely zero magic events.[/quote]

Look that up too. It's an illusion. There is no magic in the Bible except for that. Illusion. God doesn't do magic. Magic practice was prohibited by pain of death in the Law of Moses. God doesn't know the future. The future doesn't exist. God can see how things will obviously play out or he makes them happen. Everything you think you know about the Bible is a lie. Because it brought fame and fortune to those who would create the lie. Same is now happening with science. For only about a hundred years, but that's a good start. It will soon catch up with religion at the pace it currently runs.

[quote]That nothing made up and exaggerated whatsoever. You can’t.[/quote]

Ah, but you see, I can. I have. A man once perpetuated a fraud. I can't remember how he did it, but he planted the "evidence" where he knew it would be found, in a dig or something, and it was "discovered" and made the headlines. What a stunning discovery on the ancestor of mankind! It was taught as evolution. Then there was the teeth and fragments of a jaw that did the same. I think they were from a pig and an ape. Missing link! For decades these frauds were taught as evolution. Where was the test? Some quotes. By an evolutionist.

"A century after Darwin’s death, we still have not the slightest demonstrable or even plausible idea of how evolution really took place - and in recent years this has led to an extraordinary series of battles over the whole question. . . . a state of almost open war exists among the evolutionists themselves, with every kind of sect urging some new modification. . . . As to how and why it really happened, we have not the slightest idea and probably never shall."


You want to know how science really works? Watch the weatherman on your local news. He has the training. He has the science and the technology, and he still gets it wrong more often than not.

[quote]The Bible reads exactly like mythology, full of it’s heroes and villains.[/quote]

Then why is it so prevalent in the discussion of the science of evolution? Some more quotes.

"A long-enduring and regrettable effect of the success of the Origin was the addiction of biologists to unverifiable speculation. . . . The success of Darwinism was accompanied by a decline in scientific integrity. . . . This situation, where scientific men rally to the defence of a doctrine they are unable to define scientifically, much less demonstrate with scientific rigour, attempting to maintain its credit with the public by the suppression of criticism and the elimination of difficulties, is abnormal and undesirable in science."

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