@Waveney Please explain what you believe is a lie. You know the French birthrate is the lowest in 80 years,

and you know that schools have too many kids in France. Where are they coming from if not immigration?

@DogMan Once again...

Where do the kids come from?" Well, from women having babies, same as they've done for a rather long time, mate.

You're taking two entirely separate facts AGAIN — France has a falling birth rate, and some schools are overcrowded — and acting as though you've discovered some grand demographic conspiracy. You haven't. That's not how population geography works.

A country can have fewer children overall while particular schools, towns and catchment areas are overcrowded. Children don't arrive evenly distributed across a map like tins on a supermarket shelf. Schools have catchment areas, buildings get shut, teachers aren't magically conjured up, and populations move about.

And if your actual claim is that immigration is causing the school overcrowding, then PROVE IT:

How many of these pupils are immigrants?
How many are French-born children of immigrants?
Where are they concentrated?
How much of the pressure is actually attributable to immigration rather than local population distribution, school closures, staffing and capacity?

"Where do the kids come from?" is a question you've asked because you quite like the answer you've already decided on.

Bit of a fog you've got yourself in there, lad. Looks dramatic from a distance, but there's bugger all visibility once you get into it.

Anyway, I'm off to bed. I'll read your oh-so-insightful answer backed up with incontrovertible FACTS in the morning, shall I? ;)

@Waveney In 2024, the United Nations estimated 9.2 million immigrants (foreign-born people) in France, representing 13.8% of the total population, making France the second largest foreign born population in Europe.

Yes Wavy I know you believe the French people are having too many babies. 🤣

@DogMan Blimey, mate, you’ve got the calculator out now,🤣 but a percentage of foreign-born residents doesn’t prove migration caused every shortage in France.

@Waveney
DogMan
Birthrate falls to post-war low as French people have less children
Births in France fell last year to their lowest annual number since the end of World War II in 1945, the national statistics bureau said on Tuesday.

Issued on: 15/01/2025 - 11:58

So why is there no housing and over crowed schools? The left says it has nothing to do with migration.

@DogMan moving the goalposts

@DogMan in some regions. And notice it also mentions "population growth". But it ain't the main cause, now is it. No. So it proves my point.

Correct the policy decisions, build more houses, increase funding - all that will go a helluva long way to solving the current problem. Kicking people out has never worked anywhere, and never will.

@DogMan this is not about immigration. I think you need counselling. Seriously

@Waveney It is because the government does not have the resources to provide everything for everyone.

Why is that? Maybe because they have millions of new people to take care of?

This is actually what the left wants to see happen in all western countries.

Who was it that wrote about overwhelming the system until everything breaks? Marxs? Piven?

It is a way to take down a country without firing a shot.

@DogMan oooh talk about moving the goalposts! 🤣

You've gone from “students are protesting about education” to “Marxists are deliberately destroying Western countries”, and with absolutely no evidence connecting the two.

Piven? that's a right-wing conspiracy claim about Frances Fox Piven and Richard Cloward, not evidence that “the left” secretly engineered immigration to collapse countries, and blaming every pressure on public services on migrants is political storytelling, not an economic argument.

So if you’ve got evidence that the current student protests are part of some coordinated plan to “take down a country without firing a shot”, produce it; otherwise you’re just stitching together unrelated grievances and calling the result an explanation. It’s all a bit of a stretch, to be honest, just chucking every grievance into the same old immigration bucket doesn’t make it true, it just makes for a cracking story if you don’t stop to ask whether any of it actually stacks up.

@GoFish Yes, and is accelerating.

@DogMan yeah people are oblivious 🙁

@ArishMell The under funding is due to the influx of migrants that want what every French kid gets.

They do not have enough money to care for an extra 9 million people.

@DogMan By whose word? Theirs or yours?

@Waveney Thank you for proving my point. The French people are not producing the people.
and you believe it is not because of immigration. So, are they coming from outer space?

@DogMan No, I said that all of France's problems are NOT the result of immigration.

You refuse to believe it is anything BUT immigration.

You are a very frightened man, and I pity you.

@DogMan and who is this "leftwing parisian mayor" who has supposedly joined the riots..?

@Waveney Footage shows Bally Bagayoko, mayor of the Saint-Denis suburb, laughing and dancing outside a blocked-off school while demonstrators cheer him on.

In the background, flames appear to be rising near the building's gates.

Politicians from the hard-Left party France Unbowed have joined the demonstrations, with Mr Bagayoko having reportedly said that violence is sometimes legitimate.

The France Unbowed party, of which Mr Bagayoko is a member, is led by presidential candidate Jean-Luc Mélenchon.

@DogMan There is no "unfettered immigration". Therefore it has nothing to do with the overcrowding and inequality problems.

You're right.

@DogMan It seems many teachers and even parents are joining the demonstrations now.

@Waveney taxes paid by immigrants cover only 86% of their fiscal cost, leaving a significant shortfall. This gap, often referred to as a fiscal deficit, means the government is spending more on public services for immigrants than it’s collecting from them in taxes.