Is the EU rejecting the Progressive movement?

@Richard65 Well, hopefully the right will tamp down the far left Anti-semites, and
take a break from all the illegal immigration.

@DogMan you think the European far right aren't anti-Semitic...??? 🤣🤣

@Richard65 Can you explain? What do you know about antisemitism in National Rally and AfD?

@SW-User They're literally Nazis. So I'm going to assume they have some wacky ideas about Jews.

@BohemianBabe How so? What have they said about Jews?

@SW-User Hate speech is illegal in Germany, so they can't be that direct. Instead, they use conspiracy theories and dog whistles, much like the Neo-Nazis in America. They talk about how "globalists" are pushing "degeneracy" in the form of trans rights and immigration from Muslim countries.

Once in a while, one of the AfD members will be a bit too openly Nazi, and we'll get this.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx88nwy934go

But really, they all believe the same stuff.

@BohemianBabe If those on the left do encourage and facilitate "trans rights" and immigration from Muslim countries, how could it possibly be a conspiracy theory? AfD only say there are consequences and that it harms Germany, and to some extent it has. Some people want to enjoy their idea of trans rights and they think they should support all Muslim immigration; others do not. Are the former Nazis for trying to compel others and force their ideas of tolerance at the potential expense of their fellow citizens? Maybe their conspiracy is that Muslim immigration is wonderful or that Europe should intervene in Ukraine or that changing your gender and trying to change your sex is good. How is it any different?

I read about what this politician said. Why is it controversial? It seems many Germans know he didn't say anything wrong and that it was just another pointless scandal used by the media. As he says, there were almost a million SS left at the end of WWII. Do you think every one of them was a criminal or that they were all evil? How could they all be the same? Every person has a different story

@SW-User Please note that Boo Boo admits he is just assuming, he is pretty
typical, he likes to try and set a narrative to make people with different
opinions look like Nazis, or some other horrible human being. Many
people like him, pretend to know what his opposition is thinking, and
what they REALLY mean, when they say words.

@BohemianBabe "They pretend this is all part of a conspiracy by globalist Marxists (Jews) to destroy the West."

Have they said that, or are you still only assuming?

"Saying trans people should have civil liberties just like cis people is the opposite of being reactionary and authoritarian."

This is only one example of what someone may say, and how do you know AfD disagree? What have they said about trans rights? A civil liberty is supposed to not infringe on another person's liberty, and this is partly why trans rights are a contentious subject. It is a complex subject sold with a simplistic narrative and pushed by progressives, many of whom are not trans. Some trans are inclined to vote conservative. Do you think the left like to excessively categorize and limit people?

To my understanding, all AfD has said about Muslim immigrants is that they ought to integrate and respect German values, which are western values. German values do not mean "Nazi values." They would like to control immigration, but isn't this the case for most countries?

You say "every division of the SS was based around war crimes", which may be true, but these are divisions and not people. "Based around" does not implicate everyone. An organization is only that, and all AfD's Maximilian Krah said is: "before I declare someone a criminal, I want to know what he did."

I also read that he was expelled from the party. I think this is unfair...

@SW-User
Still? What did I say that was an assumption?
Yes, they have said that. They even started talking about the "Great Replacement" theory. They also lie about migrants raping white women in mass numbers, which is another common talking-point.


They openly oppose trans people, much like the Republicans.


No, it's only a contentious subject because Fascists made it so. A trans person existing is not an infringement on your rights. This is just like when Republicans used to say that if gay people get married, it will threaten the institution of marriage. Of course that was bullshit, now they're recycling the same argument for trans people. Trans people having gender affirming care is a threat to cis people because... ?


If that's all they said, it wouldn't be a problem. But AfD politicians will talk about how Muslims can't be German, or that Muslims are fundamentally incompatible with western values, they'll claim most Muslims are rapists, and so on. Basically, the same tropes Republicans use about brown people.


This would be like saying not everyone in the mafia was a murderer. Like, yeah, maybe some of them just handed out a beating here and there. But everyone in the mafia was at least guilty of aiding murder.

@BohemianBabe You previously said: "They're literally Nazis. So I'm going to assume they have some wacky ideas about Jews."

What have they said about Marxists, and what does it have to do with Jews? Jews are everywhere in politics. You have mentioned Marxism, but do they have anything to say about Zionism? Is it just one kind of Jew they dislike? What kind of Nazis are they?

When have they talked about the "Great Replacement" theory? I found an article with this claim. It appears to be German intelligence that has said AfD engaged in "far right extremist conspiracy theories" during a conference. Do you trust what intelligence services say?

"They also lie about migrants raping white women in mass numbers, which is another common talking-point."

Has AfD ever mentioned that these women are white? When has race been relevant? They may have said German women, but that could be any woman born and raped by Muslim migrants in Germany.

"No, it's only a contentious subject because Fascists made it so. A trans person existing is not an infringement on your rights."

I have never heard anyone claim that their existence is an infringement. Do you know what fascism is?

"AfD politicians will talk about how Muslims can't be German, or that Muslims are fundamentally incompatible with western values, they'll claim most Muslims are rapists, and so on. Basically, the same tropes Republicans use about brown people."

This is all in your mind. AfD said that Muslims should respect German laws and values and that immigration should be controlled. Republicans haven't commented on "brown people." Some Republicans are brown. Where do you get these ideas from? University?

"But everyone in the mafia was at least guilty of aiding murder."

This is the mafia, not the SS. Mafias are comprised of individuals who choose to engage in crime. Are they being prompted and coerced by their government? Where is the ideology behind what they do? They have their world, and it exists in ours. SS had only one world, and you had to be a part of it.

@BohemianBabe And it is true that crime and drugs are coming across the border.
Why do you have a problem with the truth?

I guess the MSM has not told you about the illegal aliens that have committed crimes
after they get to the states. I guess they also have not told you that enough fentanyl
has come across the border to kill millions of people.

You really should broaden your mental clarity, and listen to more sides than the
echo chamber allows you to.

@BohemianBabe Or they could just be talking about Marxists? Are they supposed to agree with the ideology?

I have not heard AfD politicians talk about the "Great Replacement" theory. You say you have, so what have they said exactly? Do you think aspects of this theory may have some truth to them?

Intelligence services have agendas, and they act on behalf of our governments. It is the case that Germany has made efforts to derail AfD's campaigns and harm their reputation. This is, in part, why we see the media giving them excessive negative attention. I guess Maximilian Krah was giving them what they wanted when he made his comments on former SS personnel, but they were still honest and reasonable comments to make. Does it seem to you like the media and political establishment in Germany are open to AfD and their ideas and policies? They aren't, and the response is to create or find stories and scandals to make them less appealing. It is managed democracy, and we see these tactics used in most western countries.

Maybe AfD wants to see no increase in rape? Some people perceive it as very bad when you have those who are not from a country, entering in some cases illegally, and raping its inhabitants. I can see how this could be used by politicians on the right. This perception is still held by many, and I would not accuse them of racism for having it.

"Are you trolling"?

I know they do not want illegal immigration, but what else are you trying to say? Have they made any explicit comments on what you call "brown people"?

@SW-User
No. I'm not a Marxists either. But the way they talk about Marxism is the way the Nazis did. It was in the context of this weird conspiracy theory where Marxist Jews control the media and academia so they can promote "degeneracy."
If you hear someone say that Marxism can't work because we need some form of government, that's fine. If you hear someone say that Marxists are grooming kids into being trans, that's the conspiracy theory that Nazis use.


Sure. I think rich Capitalists want third world immigration because it means cheap labor. So there is a push by rich people to have as much third world immigration as possible, as well as keep these people illegal, that way they can be paid less than minimum wage. This is why Democrats want a path to citizenship, but Republicans want to keep migrants illegal. And because almost every third world country is non-white, the result of this is a lot more non-white people in Europe and America.

However, Republicans and the AfD talk about how their opposition wants mass immigration in order to "change the demographics." They talk about it like it's a conspiracy theory to replace white people, as opposed to just the result of Capitalism.
I don't know about the AfD, but the Republicans don't really believe this. If they did, they'd allow Biden to close the border, and they'd have opposed things Trump did to increase immigration from Latin America.


Like I said, I believe what they say about the AfD, because the AfD sometimes says the same shit publicly. They let the mask slip.


Then they should stop lying about Muslim rape gangs. That makes it harder for police to catch actual rapists.
It's the same thing with Trumpians lying about LGBT groomers and Qanon conspiracy theories. That makes it harder for police to find actual pedo rings, since now they're trying to track down imaginary ones.

The truth is that the AfD is just using these lies to incite people against Muslims.


You know how when Republicans talk about migrants, they mean brown people? When they talk about thugs from Chicago, they mean black people? When they talk about George Soros, they mean Jews? It's like that.
Fascists use dog whistles, since if they said what they really mean, it would scare off normies. The AfD claims they're just against mass migration, but the vast majority of migrants in Germany are from other European countries. Why aren't they concerned about all of these Eastern Europeans?

@DogMan
Actually, immigrants commit less crime per capita than native-born Americans.
But again, this wasn't really about crime. It's the Great Replacement theory.

@BohemianBabe Ok, so we agree. There are criminals coming across the border.

What % would you say? I think we can agree that it would behoove us to know
SOMETHING about them, before we let them in and start giving them things.

Have you ever travel abroad? Did you just go there without an ID, and expect
them to let you in without a passport?

Can we now travel to any country without a passport, and just say that we are
seeking asylum? And they will let us in, put us up in a hotel, give us a phone,
and a debt card?

🤔

@DogMan Yes, that's why I agreed with Biden's move to restrict the number of asylum-seekers, that way they could be processed. I even agreed with him temporarily closing the border.

But the Republicans blocked him, because the cult-leader told them too. I guess all we can do now is try to elect as many Democrats as possible, so the Republicans can't obstruct Biden anymore.

@BohemianBabe You really do not understand what's happening. You just know
that Democrats-Good! Republicans-Bad! You don't care that Democrats wanted
that bill to pass, so they had billions more to spend on taking care of millions more
people coming here illegally.

I do think it's cute that you pretend to believe it is Republicans that want illegals.

You are correct that the vast majority of businesses are run by Republicans, and
they probably WOULD like cheap labor. But don't worry, Democrats will make
sure they don't have to work, they will make them wards of the state, and give
them just enough to exist. They will have to vote correctly, in order to gain
more.

You guys will be happy when our poverty rates explode. We will need
bigger government and more spending every year, until we are broke.

@DogMan
Actually, the bill would have temporarily closed the border and permanently limited the amount of asylum-seekers. It would have meant less illegals and overall immigration.

But you're in the cult, so you can't accept that Trump is lying to you.

@BohemianBabe Trump is not in office, and does not control anything.

@DogMan He's still the cult-leader. When he told the Republicans to vote against the bill, they all did.