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The Modern World Good or Bad

I often think modernisation may not be such a good thing . We are now watched where ever we go , we have become a society of wasters rather than recycle and repaired . We are ruled by a minority of rich in society and modern inventions such as plastic is destroying our world due to our neglect of our natural world and we are causing the extinction of our wild life . If we dont do something really drastic now I honestly think it is probably to late . We must learn to stop building new and learn to recycle and repair . Stop the production of plastic , stop chopping down trees , and start preserving our natural world . We dont need more furniture we have 100s of 1000s of pieces in barns , antique shops etc . Instead of throwing wardrobes or draws etc repair and reuse . Appliances repair dont throw out . Houses if you must replace then save as much as possible and reuse . We are wasting far too much and it has to stop . I often watch programs on tv where you see people throwing away perfectly good items at what we call recycle centres . Throwing wood furniture into a wood bin isnt recycling its crushed for fire wood or to make laminated wood for furniture . True recycling is taking that furniture and repair and make like new . Throwing appliances in a metal bin to be crushed isnt recycling , repair and keep is recycling . If a part is worn out the manufacturer replaces and refurbishes the old far less waste and a even smaller carbon footprint . We call them recycling centres to make ourselves feel better about throwing things away instead of truly recycling the items . Next time you have a item to throw away try and find someone to recycle that item or get it repaired . With things like social media you will find 100s of talented people happy to take it off your hands and give it a second life . Charity shops and second hand furniture stores etc . Please do your bit and think before driving your bits to a so called recycling centre (rubbish dump) . It maybe the easiest but NOT the greenest way to help our planet . We used to have milk in glass bottles taken back to the dairy and reused , fizzy came in glass bottles went back to stores to be reused , veg and fruit in paper bags or loose , baskets made of wicker for shopping etc . Lets demand our shops stop selling needless plastic and go back to those times . Our shopping habits are the push needed by industry to change their ways it all starts with us . So please please think and change your habits and lets care for our world before its all to late . If we walk more or walk or use public transport then our atmosphere suffers less and when demand gets so high and habits change our fares will come down and we will have more trains and buses because demand for it will make it happen . We Can Make A Big Difference Just By Changing Our Habits .
ArishMell · 70-79, M
I agree with much of what you say, but not all because what you suggest as replacements or alternatives don't solve the problem, just change it.

We are not "watched wherever we go" as if we are under individual surveillance; but many people place themselves under genuinely personal surveillance via companies like Facebook.

we have become .... wasters rather than recycle and repaired
True, we do waste far too many much; but few things last for ever. Not everything can be repaired, not all items or their materials can be salvaged, and that rather vague term "recycle" has always been taken to mean of the materials not items.


modern inventions such as plastic is destroying our world / due to our neglect of our natural world and we are causing the extinction of our wild life

Plastics are not that modern! They have been around for getting for 100 years; but what class and species of plastics, and in what physical forms? Without plastics one thing would be impossible, and that is being able to discuss it like this! Yes, we could keep to metals, woods, stones, plant fibres, rubber, animal glues, leather, etc.; all natural materials but usually replaced by one type of plastic or another for very good reasons including nowadays the sustainability and availability of the natural alternatives.

I am afraid I regard the part I have divided by the '/' sign as a non-sequiteur. We are doing those things but not by modern inventions. Mankind has been destroying the natural world since the Bronze Age, if not before; and in some ways more so than nowadays. Besides, what do you class as a "modern invention" that is not simply a development of something invented at least 100 years ago? There are very few, and still fewer that are intrinsically harmful to the natural world.

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You describe the wast of wood. Yes, a huge amount is wasted, but most timber used for building and furniture is crop-wood. Some countries do have a serious problem with forests being felled illegally, and they seem unable or unwilling to stop it; but most of the wood used now has been grown for it.

I don't know about your "Re-cycling Centre" (yes it is a rather pretentious, cod-science term, but it is not a "rubbish dump") but my County's have re-use areas for items that can be sold for a few quid; and in my local two the land-fill skips are only two or three among nearly twenty salvage skips; and the "garden wastes" ones are another two or three.

However, a lot of good furniture etc. is destroyed because no-one wants it, not even charities set up to re-home it. I was told that by a rubbish-clearance operator I saw smashing up furniture he was clearing from a house; when I remarked that I was surprised the home sellers or buyers had not tried to sell it.

I think the biggest waste is of electrical and electronic items. Most are genuinely not easily repairable, or not repairable at all, especially by the owner; but a lot of it is scrapped for entirely spurious reasons like fashion or "must have" motives. Fortunately their materials are at least partly recoverable: perhaps 95% of a motor or a washing machine, perhaps <20% of a portable telephone but the latter does contain valuable rare minerals.

This is exactly why the recyling-centres you dismiss exist. It's clearly not sensible to assume the manufacturers can recover and salvage their own products beyond refurbishing complete goods in fair condition (that includes the PC I am typing this one!); but what does happen broadens the scope of what scrap-metal breakers and building-materials salvors have been doing for centuries.

Whether it always works properly is another matter, but there is no sensible other way to recover re-useable materials than collection-points from which the materials can be sold to their appropriate processors. All metals are recoverable, so is glass. Wood and its products can only be chipped, pulped or burnt but at least making new work from wood-chip board is a form of recycling. Building rubble can only be crushed for hardcore - or used as inert landfill. Oils and oil-based paints can only be processed into fuel-oil at best.

Some plastics can be salvaged, but not all. Perhaps the biggest headache is what do with the vast amount of scrapped glass- and carbon- fibre products in the world; from building parts, vehicles, boats, electronic circuit-boards stripped of their metals, etc. Oh, including wind-turbine blades.

Garden waste is turned into compost for sale as that, or use on the county's municipal gardens.


The point is that whilst we are undeniably profligate overall, wasting vast amounts of material on things we do not really need or are suitable for just one short-term use, we cannot possibly re-use everything! Most man-made items wear out beyond recovery or become obsolete eventually; including whatever you read this one, your clothes, your car, most of your household belongings. This is as true of major works too: ships, aircraft, many buildings, etc.

It is also true that much of that waste is generated by manufacturers and shops pushing what they convince us "we all" need; but they are slowly becoming more thoughtful about this. Yet they cannot be blamed entirely. They would not sell all those container-loads of Chinesium gee-gaws if no-one wanted to buy them!

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Sooner or later, we will have no petroleum or coal; either by depletion or by ill-informed choice based on a single criterion which although vital, it is not the only one to consider. Several years ago BP forecast the world's known reserves of both minerals running out, petroleum first, within this Century, at present rates of discovery and extraction. I don't know what revisions they might have made to this; but it is inevitable eventually.

With what will we replace the materials their by-products give us? Metals, stones, and plant and animal products. Replacing or re-using them will be not be any easier than at present - harder if anything. Much of the genuine everyday products and services we rely one and tend to take for granted will become difficult, rare and costly or even just not feasible. With what consequences for both society and the "environment"?

I don't expect groups like Extinction Rebellion to understand such matters. I doubt most of them even know energy from power, iron from steel or the engineering definition of "efficiency". Do though, those who should understand them - the policy-makers?
Scarfface · 46-50, M
I've been reusing lots of things for years, I'll even take what people throw out at the tip and make it good. It annoys me that a lot of people throw everything away just for a change or a fashion.
On a whole nothing good can come from the modern way of living only further destruction of our world. It needs to change I think.
Dewkissedrose · 46-50, F
I wouldn’t mind going back to simpler times…. As long as I can still have indoor plumbing. :)
Fairydust · F
I totally agree with you!

It’s bad, way worse than I ever imagined.
The control from the top is shocking.

We should return to shopping local, keep using cash 💰 they want to get rid of it.
Then they’ll have more power over us and freeze our banks if we don’t do as they say, just like the truckers. 🇨🇦 🛻
Fairydust · F
@ArishMell I’m in England and the wef have their people in power, Boris is one, many more.
I’m not over worrying it’s real and they got into power through the back door. [media=https://youtu.be/A6zy0D6YBfk]
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Fairydust Oh, I am sorry! I thought you are in Canada, because you used its flag on an earlier post.

Whatever happens countries do need discuss economic matters with each other, and my concern is how well the country is run, not whoever might be who is some international talking-shop.

I did try watching that video but gave up in just two of its nearly eleven minutes, deterred by its appallingly bad presentation: high-speed gabbling in a very strong American accent hard to follow, and its gimmick of flashing fractional-second images. I found I could not trust the video because I felt it did not want me to concentrate on, absorb and comprehend its message; and I have no idea who had made it, where, why and for whom. I stopped shortly after the presenter cited not analysts, diplomats, lawyers, heads of national banks and the like; but some other You-tube users. Very useful.

I had heard the "Great Reset" phrase from others on SW, but had not realised it was invented by Klaus Schwab. Sorry if I have mis-spelled his name.

I still regard the WEF as really of less significance than its own be-suited participants like to think, because it is still governments and parliaments that run "Western" countries, not blokes in suits living it up in Swiss ski-resorts. Governments need to co-operate on laws and economies with each other, but are not controlled by Herr Schwab and his fellow economics-theoreticians. If it has any real effect at all I think it would more likely to be on major businesses and international trade, not on we individual citizens; except perhaps by consequence on things like interest-rates.
Fairydust · F
@ArishMell 🤔 I’m not so sure, he gladly says he’s penetrated the governments. Many leaders are from the wef. 1300 in governments worldwide but that could be more.
They are changing the laws to allow less control.
I put the Canada flag because Trudeau froze the truckers bank accounts when they protested. Which is another reason not to have a cashless system. It’s all about controlling us.
And klaus has a lot more power than you realise. Very dangerous man.
No better or worse than what came before.
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
@ShellSeeker Its worse africa has become totally 3rd world with out of control poaching wiping out wildlife . Plastic was invented and is now drowning our world in plastic , 1000s more cars on the world choking our atmosphere , an overpopulated world thanks to a higher birth rate and survival rate due to modern medicine . As much as modernisation is good its actually bad for our planet and has upset the balance . If we dont turn things around and clean up the damage we have done , decrease the birthrate and rebalance everything generations to come may not have a world to live in . I would go as far as saying we could wipe ourselves out and make our planet uninhabitable .
@Rhode57 I’m not African
Rhode57 · 56-60, M
@ShellSeeker Didnt say you were . I said africa is totally 3rd world meaning their breeding like rabbits , rellying on fossil fuels , poaching is wiping out wildlife , etc . They have no understanding of conservation or balance of nature and thanks to countries like china see wild animals as money .
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