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Do You Believe We Are On The Eve Of Destruction

Do You Believe We Are On The Eve Of Destruction

The war in Ukraine, the Israel-Gaza conflict, the potential of a nuclear arms race, and the climate crisis, political issues, race hate, threats of nuclear war, global system collapse, synthetic biology, artificial intelligence


Footnote #1:

Global System Collapse

This is a vague one, but it basically means the world's economic and political systems collapse, by way of something like "a severe, prolonged depression with high bankruptcy rates and high unemployment, a breakdown in normal commerce caused by hyperinflation, or even an economically caused sharp increase in the death rate and perhaps even a decline in population."

That said, it's unclear whether these things would pose an existential threat. Humanity has survived past economic downturns. Even massive ones like the Great Depression. An economic collapse would have to be considerably more massive than that to risk human extinction or to kill enough people that the survivors couldn't recover.

Footnote #2:

Synthetic Biology

This isn't a risk today, but it could be in the future. Synthetic biology is an emerging scientific field that focuses on the creation of biological systems, including artificial life.

The hypothetical danger is that the tools of synthetic biology could be used to engineer a supervirus or superbacteria that is more infectious and capable of mass destruction than one that evolved naturally. Most likely, such an organism would be created as a biological weapon, either for a military or a non-state actor.

The risk is that such a weapon would either be used in warfare or a terrorist attack, or else leak from a lab (Covid 19 Possible) accidentally. Either scenario could wind up threatening humanity as a whole if the bioweapon spreads beyond the initial target and becomes a global problem. As with regular pandemics, actual extinction would only happen if survivors were unable to adapt to a giant population decline.

Footnote #3:

Artificial Intelligence

There is a report out there that rasies concerns with the possibility of exponential advances in artificial intelligence. Once computer programs grow advanced enough to teach themselves computer science, they could use that knowledge to improve themselves, causing a spiral of ever-increasing superintelligence.

If AI remains friendly to humans, this would be a very good thing indeed, and has the prospect to speed up research in a variety of domains. The risk is that AI has little use for humans and either out of malevolence or perceived necessity destroys us all.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
Not destruction everywhere but things are going to change. Demographics indicates that the world wide population is going to decrease from low fertility. Climate change, food and water shortages will impact populations in zones that will become too hot to live. So get ready for migrations of billions of people. Lots of stuff we took for granted will disappear or become too expensive. Dust storms will reappear in the midwest. Tornado alley will continue to move north and East. Earthquakes and volcanic eruptions will likely occur and wreak havoc. Where and when are anyone's guess.

Elderly folks without kids will need to join communes as there will be no one to care for them.

Housing for the majority of everybody else will be apoartments on rapid transit routes as owning a car will become too expensive.

Many roads will become abandoned due to lack of fuel taxes and low usage. The limited driving range, high price, and increased weight of electric cars will limit them to in-town shared commuting only.

Some countries will disappear. Israel being one of them. It is unsustainable. If Russia expands it's war it will be reduced to a tiny baltic hamlet.

Large,organized religions are going away.

Caucasians will become a minority.

AI has no desires, no senses, and no introspection so it will not be truely intelligent until those things are incorporated. But they will impact all aspects of life.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Tastyfrzz The heat is not the only threat in some parts of the world. So is the loss of water as rivers lose their mountain glacier sources.

Some elderly people in future might have no children or grandchildren because they chose not to breed, fearful of what sort of world their children would face. How extensive this is I have no idea - the evidence it is happening is purely anecdotal and I doubt anyone has really examined it properly. Some couples may remain childless for economic reasons, though.

I don't know what is a "rapid transit" system; but we will need better public transport generally. Many people in heavily populated areas already live near bus routes or can reach railway stations, but this will vary considerably from area to area and country to country. Many British towns have "park and ride" schemes using large out-of-town car-parks and shuttle bus services. A lot of long distance commuters drive from home to their nearest railway stations and complete the journeys by train. Helped by routine train speeds of 90mph and more, this seems to have pushed London's "commuter-belt" to over 100 miles from the capital.

I think car ownership will drop fairly significantly in the UK, mainly due to cost but also need. Some people living and working near large towns do not need a car for their own lives anyway; or at least own one but do not normally use it for day-to-day trips like commuting, shopping and evenings out. (The latter case applies to me, too, though I am retired; but I still need drive for most my social activities.) Even if not restricted by the "Ultra Low Emission Zone" and "Congestion Charge" fees applied in many British and European cities!

The range of electric cars is increasing, and lower-priced ones are appearing - mainly from China - though the cheaper ones are of lower range. The bigger practical obstacle for many motorists now, at least in Britain and probably many European towns, is not range but nowhere to charge a battery-electric car at home. That enforces relying on public charging-points and the risk of queuing a long time to use the few available. I have yet to see a queue for one, but likely due to still a relatively low proportion of cars being electric, and most of those owned in households with domestic parking and charging space.

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I don't see Israel disappearing any time soon but it will have to change its ways - which is NOT siding with Hezbollah and Hamas! I don't know what you mean by it becoming a "tiny Baltic hamlet" - even metaphorically given that is the wrong sea - but some Orthodox Jews do believe there is not, and never was, a geographical "Israel". I understand that to mean they see "Israel" as a Hebrew culture, not a set area of land.

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I am not sure "organised" religions will disappear, but I would regard them doing so as dangerous. I am not religious but a widespread faith that has no central moderator is open to exploitation and bigotry by its own fundamentalists for their own power.

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"Caucasians" have always have been in the minority in a world hosting many races; but I take it you mean becoming minorities in their home countries where they used to predominate. This fear is behind the horrible "Replacement Theory" that originated in an area of Southern France after an influx of refugees, I think in the 1920s. However, your first paragraph highlights what will happen if large areas of the world become uninhabitable.

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Sometimes I think it's Artificial Idiocy, not Intelligence; but like "algorithm" the term has become seized upon to describe anything done by a computer. We can't blame the computer if it all goes wrong, but the people who design and use the programmes; algorithms, AI and all; and already we rely on computers far too much, and take too many chances with them.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
@ArishMell the baltic hamlet i referred to would be Russia.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Tastyfrzz Oh, I see. Some hamlet.... The tragedy for Russians is that their country could live in peace and friendship with every one else if their leaders chose to do so.
oldercanuck1 · 70-79, M
We have been on the Eve of destruction for a long time ,, live life like you want enjoy what makes you happy and when it happens it happens ,, have no regrets ,,,
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
Government won't let me live like I want. Well at least fully.

Say I want to live like grizzly Adams and build a cabin in the middle of no where. I just recently found out that's against the law
oldercanuck1 · 70-79, M
@HumanEarth it might be but many are doing it ,, and if you go far enough it will be a long time before they find you ,, right ,, or get a sail boat and sail away ,, i am going to ,,
Lilymoon · F
The future doesn't look bright at all. I'll be hiding in my shell.
Lilymoon · F
@HumanEarth [media=https://youtu.be/jrL_LzX5wv4]
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
Mrs, Doubtfire
Lilymoon · F
Guardian · 56-60, M
AB-SO-FnK-KEN-LUTE-LY!!!
DownTheStreet · 51-55, M
No, not at all.
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HumanEarth · 56-60, F
You also don't sound like you're in peak shape any more. Like any of us are now days. We're all getting older.

I started all these projects like 20 years ago and did a little bit at a time
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
Now when my body is starting fail me. The hard stuff is done
@HumanEarth We've also had over 10 years of austerity, too - so I don't think that the children who are just about leaving school now are in the best shape to go to war either. Some of them would have been raised relying on food banks for their meals.

The media is even reporting on malnutrition and associated deficiencies increasing pressure on the NHS here in the hope that it brings about a change of government.

 
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