People still think climate change is a hoax?

@HoraceGreenley You have evidence for that?

@trollslayer
Yes
https://similarworlds.com/environment/climate-change/4481659-Climate-Change-is-about-money-and-power

@HoraceGreenley I said "evidence". Do you need a dictionary?

@HoraceGreenley As I said before, who has the power? How about the trillion dollar a year fossil fuel industry and the worlds most powerful nation states that support it. The world economy and the super rich depend on oil, isn't that where the overwhelming power and money reside? A couple a research grants and subsidies for renewable resources is pocket change in comparison.

@JimboSaturn When I was in graduate school, two petroleum companies would regularly wine and dine us. They would take us grad students out to dinner, pay for expensive field trips, provide research grants, lab equipment, etc. If you got a grant or internship from an oil company, that meant paid school expenses, plus a guaranteed 80k+ salary job upon graduating. They even sent their most attractive female representatives to meet with the male students to try and persuade them. No joke.

Meanwhile, if your focus was on a more climate related science, you could apply for grants that might yield you at most a few thousand in research money.

Really, there is no comparison. When I hear the argument that climate scientists are getting rich off of government grants, I think back to my classmate who was forced by our department to interview for an oil company internship, walked into the internship with a baseball cap and a bad attitude, wound up getting an internship, his entire school expenses paid, and then a 6-figure salary upon graduating.

@trollslayer It's really crazy isn't it? The most influential force in the world is being made a victim.

@JimboSaturn
Read the post

@HoraceGreenley ok, i will take that to mean you have no evidence, only assumptions.

@JimboSaturn BP (Beyond Petroleum) agrees 😉

You are being played like a fiddle.

@trollslayer
Read the comments. I have references in them.

@JimboSaturn
Read through the comments. There are plenty of references.

@HoraceGreenley But just think about it logically for yourself.

@JimboSaturn
I have. There's no anthropogenic climate change

@HoraceGreenley The facts say otherwise. Science says otherwise and the misinformation out there is from the most powerful force in the world the fossil fuel industry. Don't be so naive.

@HoraceGreenley evidence, evidence that burning fossil fuel does not produce CO2, evidence that CO2 dies not cause atmospheric warming, evidence that the measured CO2 increases is not from burning fossil fuels, evidence that the planet has not warmed. Science evidence, not some political or economic analysis.

@trollslayer
Rrad the comments. There are plenty of references provided.

I get requests to provide evidence. Then when I provide it, the people requesting it don't rrad them.

Rrad the references

@JimboSaturn
You're only looking at one side. Read the references

@HoraceGreenley I think we will have to agree to disagree there Horace.

@JimboSaturn
I expected as much. You didn't look at any of the materials I provided. No need to consider dissenting information. You are secure in your "moral" position.

You just want to cling to your confirmation bias.

@HoraceGreenley The exact same could be said of your my friend.

@JimboSaturn
I've looked at plenty of research. From many sources. I have a science education. I can read basic research. Don't assume you know what ive read.

My point is this. I get asked for evidence and references from the climate change believers. They want to see evidence to support my position. They go on and on about providing references.

So I did. And no one bothered to read it.

It's cowardice.

@HoraceGreenley I don't deny you read. I deny that you are unbiased. I would claim that you have confirmation bias because the overwhelming evidence points to anthropogenic climate change. Hey I don't want to believe it's real either, its really sucks. But I have to follow the facts and accept things they way they are.

And hey, I don't deny that I am immune to confirmation bias as well, I do try to be vigilant but I'm human.

@HoraceGreenley the post you linked has one video. No references in the comments.

@trollslayer
https://similarworlds.com/science/4109294-I-do-not-believe-in-Anthropogenic-Climate-Change

This is a better post. My long list of references is in another post. I'll have to find it. I did this a couple of years ago.