Funny how I’m meant to give up electricy, meat, travel.. Whilst all the ppl pushing this garbage hop around on private jets. Eat meat and can afford electricity at high costs..
@Darksideinthenight2 You are a 🤡 and completely full of 💩. Time to quit drinking the Klimate Koolaid. Everything I've mentioned is well documented.
But you're gonna deflect and avoid answering these questions.
Ever hear of farmers being paid not to grow food? Food stored grain silos that goes to waste? How about all those food processing centers that caught fire?
How much you wanna bet? $100? $1,000? $10K? I'm sure you wouldn't pay up when you lose. Perhaps you suffer from short term memory failure as you already seem to have forgotten about my comments regarding the droughts in the 70s.
Funny how you are so focused on California and China. You realize food is grown elsewhere in the world, right? Even the USDA is saying the US isn't suffering from a food shortage...so how do you explain that?
Wanna understand the real reason why people in the US go hungry or are food insecure? Read this. Sorry it doesn't have pictures for you. https://www.feedingamerica.org/hunger-in-america/poverty
@fun4us2b our country is the cleanest natural gas and oil producer so why would the government want to shut it down and by it from other countries? Especially countries that are not as clean or safe as ours .
@Driver2 Yes and the infrastructure is already in place, unlike lithium mines etc...you know, I agree we're going in the wrong directions, but I'm not so sure we can understate the effects on the planet from our historically recent industrialization...you know deforesting millions of acres and strip mining and all that stuff - it's bound to have some effect at some point. No?
Yes, common sense tells us that the Earth heats up and cools down naturally. I guess all those pushing the climate change agenda forgot about the last ice age.
No, what I'm saying is we are making a fuss, and blaming mankind for things that mankind is not responsible for. We do all agree that the earth is acting naturally when it heats up and cools down, causing Ice ages and then thawing, correct?
common sense tells us that the Earth heats up and cools down naturally.
True, and we can measure prior heating and cooling of the Earth going back 800,000 years.
However, the global warming / climate change we're seeing in the last 100 or so years is MUCH different from anything measured in the glacial & sea sediment records. We are currently seeing 100X faster CO2 increase, and 10X faster temperature increase than anything in 800,000 years of ice ages.
The annual rate of increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide over the past 60 years is about 100 times faster than previous natural increases, such as those that occurred at the end of the last ice age 11,000-17,000 years ago.
As the Earth moved out of ice ages over the past million years, the global temperature rose a total of 4 to 7 degrees Celsius over about 5,000 years. In the past century alone, the temperature has climbed 0.7 degrees Celsius, roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming.
Very true. Weather is about local short term conditions. climate is about global multi-year moving averages. They are quite different.
The global warming / climate change we're seeing in the last 100 or so years is MUCH different from anything measured in the glacial & sea sediment records covering the last 700,000 years. CO2 is rising 100x faster, and temps 10x faster.
"How is Today’s Warming Different from the Past?" https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/GlobalWarming/page3.php "As the Earth moved out of ice ages over the past million years, the global temperature rose a total of 4 to 7 degrees Celsius over about 5,000 years. In the past century alone, the temperature has climbed 0.7 degrees Celsius, roughly ten times faster than the average rate of ice-age-recovery warming."
How is today's CO2 increase different? https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-atmospheric-carbon-dioxide "The annual rate of increase in atmospheric carbon dioxide over the past 60 years is about 100 times faster than previous natural increases, such as those that occurred at the end of the last ice age 11,000-17,000 years ago."
Fact is, anthropogenic global warming is accepted by a YUGE segment of the scientific community. Would you accept the consensus opinion of the American Physical Society AND the American Chemical Society? How about the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and at least 15 other national organizations of publishing scientists? See https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
but I've yet to hear a rational explanation of how miniscule increases in an atmospheric trace gas such as CO2, causes the earth to warm.
It's because CO2 & methane are transparent to visible light but more opaque to infrared. The solar energy comes pouring in via the visible spectrum, but the heat can't leave so easily via the infrared spectrum due to that opacity. Kids' version: https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/explainer-co2-and-other-greenhouse-gases
In order to actually prove human carbon emissions influence climate, all variables would have to remain constant
Nope. With multiple data points we can solve for multiple variables simultaneously. Detailed climate models account for all the variables you list and more. They are verified and calibrated based on 700,000 years of prior climate data.
http://web.mit.edu/globalchange/www/climate.html
Global warming models are based on small amounts of data. The earth is 4.6 billion years old, and we are expected to believe they can draw conclusions based on a hockey stick graph with 50 years of data?
Nope, not 50 years, 800,000 years, covering about 7 ice ages. The climate data comes from bubbles in glacial ice, and is corroborated by data from lake & sea floor sediments. https://icecores.org/about-ice-cores CO2 & methane & temp data
Here's where the various data sets were collected:
The most salient thing about the 800,000 years of climate data is the rate of change during those previous 7 ice ages compared to the current rate of change this century.
Where does the money for climate research come from?
Fair question - it comes mostly from the National Science Foundation. Equally fair: where does the money for climate denial come from? The US oil industry makes about $110 billion per year; coal another $20 billion. Big Oil spends $3.6 billion per year on advertising; a sum equal to about 8X the whole NSF climate budget. You're not naive enough to believe none of that money goes to propaganda, are you?
@MrBrownstone I really have absolutely 0 interest debating the existence of climate change with someone who‘s critical thinking skills are so poor they believe the US government murdered 3,000 of its own citizens on 9/11
Sometimes society needs a bit of control, they've sold us our way of life for years, that's the real control. Most people are just blind to it because that's how life is. Now they/we have realised that this life is damaging to our environment and unsustainable so we need to adjust. Climate change is a big part of this, it's happening and it's scary.
No one can deny climate change...we are all in it. Question is: how much of it is man made? I don’t believe for a moment that it is a tool for control.
Needless to say we humans over the long haul need to make a few changes. The world will not end if its not tomorrow. Green technology is not perfect. It has a lot of problems. We need to be smart when, where and how we use green tech. Im confident we will make good progress over the next 100 to 200 years. Trying to do it all at once is reckless.
obeying corrupt politicians and Al Gore , Greta and the rest is idiocy
If the whole thing originated with Al Gore and Greta, I'd agree with you. But the whole thing originates with decades of scientific observations.
Fact is, anthropogenic global warming is accepted by a YUGE segment of the scientific community. Would you accept the consensus opinion of the American Physical Society AND the American Chemical Society? How about the American Association for the Advancement of Science, and at least 15 other national organizations of publishing scientists? See https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/
@Darksideinthenight2 does it begin to dawn on you that the #1 EXPORTER of agricultural products means there isn't a shortage?
You haven't explained why farmers are paid not to grow food. You haven't explained why agricultural products are allowed to rot. You haven't explained the massive increase in fires and accidents destroying food processing centers.
And yes...I did explain. Poverty is the reason people are food insecure or hungry. There are low income people who don't qualify for food assistance.
I will agree that the gov't sucks and could do a better job of ensuring people who need food can get it. But that's not a supply issue.
