What do Global Warming, Covid and Covid Vaxes have in common?

@ElwoodBlues Because I am not an idiot. You have no idea why CFCs were blamed for a naturally occuring phenomena. And that is HILARIOUS!!! Is there any science in your brain?

@hippyjoe1955 says [quote]Because I am not an idiot.[/quote] You only play one on the internet???

The American Chemical Society says:
[quote] [b]Chlorofluorocarbons and Ozone Depletion[/b]
A National Historic Chemical Landmark
. . .
“When we realized there was a very effective chain reaction, that changed the CFC investigation from an interesting scientific problem to one that had major environmental consequences,” Rowland told Chemical & Engineering News in an extensive interview in 2007. “You don’t often get many chills down your back when you look at scientific results,” he added, but that had been one of those moments.[/quote]
https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/whatischemistry/landmarks/cfcs-ozone.html

But you know more than all these PhD chemists, right? [i]RIIIIIIIGHT[/i]

@ElwoodBlues All you have shown me is you have no idea what ozone is or any of its properties.

@hippyjoe1955 Please educate us then!!

Tell us what's wrong with this:
[quote]Rowland decided to devote a portion of his research to understanding the fate of CFCs in the atmosphere. Although CFCs are inert in the lower troposphere, Rowland realized that they can be broken down by UV radiation once they drift up into the stratosphere. In late 1973, Rowland and Molina, who had recently joined Rowland’s lab, used data from a variety of published sources to calculate that CFC molecules released near the surface of Earth would, over decades, wind up in the stratosphere where UV radiation would split off chlorine atoms. Each chlorine atom would react immediately with an ozone molecule, setting off a chain reaction that would destroy thousands of ozone molecules. In their paper, they estimated that if CFC use was banned immediately, ozone loss would go on for years. If CFC production continued, however, ozone loss would be even greater.[/quote]

@ElwoodBlues Ozone naturally breaks down in about an hour. It needs to be constantly replenished. It is replenished by the the UV coming from the sun. When the sun doesn't shine (Polar winter) the ozone is not replenished. When the sun shines with sufficient strength the ozone is replenished. It has been that way for as long as the earth had oxygen in the atmosphere and the sun had UV radiation. Silly people think that man has anything to do with that natural cycle.

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]zone naturally breaks down in about an hour.[/quote] Actually, ozone decomposition depends on temperature and pressure. At STP it might last an hour; in the stratosphere it can last for weeks. Unless there's chlorine around.

@ElwoodBlues It naturally breaks down and becomes O2. It varies. If you use an ozone generator in a room it is recommended that you wait about 4 hours for the room to be safe to enter. Ozone is not stable by its very nature. CFCs have nothing to do with that. The anti CFC came from the insane idea that we must ban chlorine. You know things like salt.

@hippyjoe1955 Your numbers are for STP. Do you know what STP conditions are in chemistry? It seems not.

Suffice it to say conditions are much different in the stratosphere, where chlorine catalyzes O3 breakdown.

@ElwoodBlues Ozone is not stable. Even Wikipedia says that. Do try to make yourself sound informed for once in your life.

@hippyjoe1955 Ozone breakdown rates depend strongly on temperature and pressure. Temperature and pressure are much different in the stratosphere, where chlorine catalyzes O3 breakdown.

Since you're accepting wikipedia as a source of expertise, how do you deny
[quote]The main causes of ozone depletion and the ozone hole are manufactured chemicals, especially manufactured halocarbon refrigerants, solvents, propellants, and foam-blowing agents (chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), HCFCs, halons), referred to as ozone-depleting substances (ODS). These compounds are transported into the stratosphere by turbulent mixing after being emitted from the surface, mixing much faster than the molecules can settle.[2] Once in the stratosphere, they release atoms from the halogen group through photodissociation, which catalyze the breakdown of ozone (O3) into oxygen (O2).[3] Both types of ozone depletion were observed to increase as emissions of halocarbons increased. [/quote]

@ElwoodBlues The fact is that Ozone has a very limited life. It breaks down. It does not remain Ozone. It becomes oxygen. If it is not replenished it will disappear entirely. Take a mole of ozone and keep it a sealed container and in a very short time you will have a sealed container full of oxygen. Amazing how that works. But you keep pumping your fascist propaganda. The state is depending on you.

@hippyjoe1955 Ozone breakdown rates depend strongly on temperature and pressure. Temperature and pressure are much different in the stratosphere, where chlorine catalyzes O3 breakdown.

Since you're accepting wikipedia as a source of expertise, how do you deny
[quote]The main causes of ozone depletion and the ozone hole are manufactured chemicals, especially manufactured halocarbon refrigerants, solvents, propellants, and foam-blowing agents (chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), HCFCs, halons), referred to as ozone-depleting substances (ODS). These compounds are transported into the stratosphere by turbulent mixing after being emitted from the surface, mixing much faster than the molecules can settle.[2] Once in the stratosphere, they release atoms from the halogen group through photodissociation, which catalyze the breakdown of ozone (O3) into oxygen (O2).[3] Both types of ozone depletion were observed to increase as emissions of halocarbons increased. [/quote]

@ElwoodBlues You have not established a causal relationship. Nice try though. The fascist state is counting on you and your lack of science. Too funny.

@hippyjoe1955 Since you're accepting wikipedia as a source of expertise, how do you deny
[quote]The main causes of ozone depletion and the ozone hole are manufactured chemicals, especially manufactured halocarbon refrigerants, solvents, propellants, and foam-blowing agents (chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), HCFCs, halons), referred to as ozone-depleting substances (ODS). These compounds are transported into the stratosphere by turbulent mixing after being emitted from the surface, mixing much faster than the molecules can settle.[2] Once in the stratosphere, they release atoms from the halogen group through photodissociation, which catalyze the breakdown of ozone (O3) into oxygen (O2).[3] Both types of ozone depletion were observed to increase as emissions of halocarbons increased. [/quote]
[b]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion[/b]

@ElwoodBlues since you haven't established a causal relationship your story is little more than fear porn. Fascists like you don't know that. Christians like me laugh at your lack of science. BTW did you know that if ozone doesn't break down life on earth would not exist? Ozone is heavier than air and if it didn't breakdown it would settle to the ground and kill us all. Kind of like ice being lighter than liquid water. If it wasn't life on earth wouldn't exist. Amazing design don't you agree?

@hippyjoe1955 What, you don't know how to use google? I gotta do ALL your research for you??

[quote]Research studies in the laboratory show that chlorine (Cl) reacts very rapidly with ozone. They also show that the reactive chemical chlorine monoxide (ClO) formed in that reaction can undergo further processes that regenerate the original chlorine, allowing the sequence to be repeated very many times (a chain reaction). Similar reactions also take place between bromine and ozone.

But do these ozone-destroying reactions occur in the "real world"? All the accumulated scientific experience demonstrates that the same chemical reactions do take place in nature. Many other reactions (including those of other chemical species) are often also taking place simultaneously in the stratosphere. This makes the connections among the changes difficult to untangle. Nevertheless, whenever chlorine (or bromine) and ozone are found together in the stratosphere, the ozone-destroying reactions are taking place.

Sometimes a small number of chemical reactions are so dominant in the natural circumstance that the connections are almost as clear as in laboratory experiments. Such a situation occurs in the Antarctic stratosphere during the springtime formation of the ozone hole. Independent measurements made by instruments from the ground and from balloons, aircraft, and satellites have provided a detailed understanding of the chemical reactions in the Antarctic stratosphere. Large areas reach temperatures so low (less than 80°C, or 112°F) that stratospheric clouds form, which is a rare occurrence, except during the polar winters. These polar stratospheric clouds allow chemical reactions that transform chlorine species from forms that do not cause ozone depletion into forms that do cause ozone depletion. Among the latter is chlorine monoxide, which initiates ozone destruction in the presence of sunlight. The amount of reactive chlorine in such regions is therefore much higher than that observed in the middle latitudes, which leads to much faster chemical ozone destruction. The chemical reactions occurring in the presence of these clouds are now well understood from studies under laboratory conditions that mimic those found naturally in the atmosphere.[/quote]

Face it dippy, you came into this with your standard ignorant knee jerk reaction, and you hit a wall of hard science. Chemistry obviously isn't your expertise - you thought STP was an oil treatment - and now you have publicly owned yourself, [b]LOL!!![/b]

@ElwoodBlues That is not a causal relationship. Nice try though. Ozone depletes naturally. You can not observe that ozone depletes therefore CFCs are doing it. Once again you fell for the 'official narrative'. Good little nazi that you are your fell for it. I am laughing my face off at your foolishness.

@hippyjoe1955 [quote]That is not a causal relationship.[/quote]
Tell that to the American Chemical Society, [b]LOL!!![/b]
Yeah, you know more than all those PhD chemists,
[i]RIIIIIIIGHT[/i]

ACS source: [b]https://www.acs.org/content/acs/en/education/whatischemistry/landmarks/cfcs-ozone.html[/b]

@ElwoodBlues If you think that you can trust the official narrative. Too funny. Your understanding of science is so minimal as to be a joke. No wonder you fell for the vax nonsense. You have no idea what science actually is.

@hippyjoe1955 I think I can trust the American Chemical Society more than I can trust some lying idiot in Edmonton, yeah.

@ElwoodBlues Son the American Chemical Society is not irrefutable. Simple chemical knowledge shows that ozone breaks down naturally and quite quickly. That is enough. Ever notice how the official narrative no longer focuses on ozone or acid rain or global cooling or...... Very strange how it changes all the time and morons like you keep pumping the long refuted propaganda like it was written on stone by unseen hands high on a mountain in Saudi Arabia. Too Funny!!!!

@hippyjoe1955 No one is irrefutable. But you have no counter-theory and no nits to pick, just a lot of whining now that you've lost the debate.

Face it dippy, you came into this with your standard ignorant knee jerk reaction, and you hit a wall of hard science. Chemistry obviously isn't your expertise - you thought STP was an oil treatment - and now you have publicly owned yourself, LOL!!!

@ElwoodBlues BWahahahahahaha. Sorry son but your nonsense is about as valuable as birdcage liner. We got it your are a fascist nazi who worships the state and all things official. After that..... meh. Your science sucks. You should apply for a job as a vacuum cleaner.

@hippyjoe1955 Since you're accepting wikipedia as a source of expertise, how do you deny
[quote]The main causes of ozone depletion and the ozone hole are manufactured chemicals, especially manufactured halocarbon refrigerants, solvents, propellants, and foam-blowing agents (chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), HCFCs, halons), referred to as ozone-depleting substances (ODS). These compounds are transported into the stratosphere by turbulent mixing after being emitted from the surface, mixing much faster than the molecules can settle.[2] Once in the stratosphere, they release atoms from the halogen group through photodissociation, which catalyze the breakdown of ozone (O3) into oxygen (O2).[3] Both types of ozone depletion were observed to increase as emissions of halocarbons increased. [/quote]
[b]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_depletion[/b]

Oh, I get it, you cherry pick wikipedia, and the particular sentences you agree with you present as true, and the particular sentences you disagree with you present as false. Such a clown, [b]LOL!!![/b]