Are you preparing to buy an electric car yet?
With the proposed phasing out of fossil fuel powered transport, how much thought have you put into what you will be driving in the run up to the phasing out?
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Driver2 · M
No way , they are not ready to replace the engine yet .
Plus the batteries are produced from slave labor . Adults and children
The used batteries are not recycled s as bd must be dumped in landfills.
So much for that . Someday yes we need more time to perfect the technology.
First electric cars were around since the 1900s
Plus the batteries are produced from slave labor . Adults and children
The used batteries are not recycled s as bd must be dumped in landfills.
So much for that . Someday yes we need more time to perfect the technology.
First electric cars were around since the 1900s
SW-User
@Driver2 Well, quite apart from the slave labour that's still being used in the oil and gas industry, don't forget that the lithium mined by "slaves" also goes straight into the battery of your phone/tablet/laptop.
Don't go getting all high and mighty just yet, and think you will protect the little children by sticking with your gas-guzzler...
Don't go getting all high and mighty just yet, and think you will protect the little children by sticking with your gas-guzzler...
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Driver2 [quote]The used batteries are not recycled s as bd must be dumped in landfills. [/quote]
That a policy decision not a technical one. Where I live (Norway) all batteries can be recycled and a small tax is applied to the sale of batteries to support recycling efforts while the market gets up and running. Battery recycling for batteries from button cells to car batteries hs been in place for many years and now Hydro and Northvolt have started commercial recycling operations with a capacity of 12 000 tonne of battery packs per year.
See https://www.hydro.com/en-US/media/news/2022/europes-largest-electric-vehicle-battery-recycling-plant-begins-operations/
If a little country like Norway can do it then so can the US.
That a policy decision not a technical one. Where I live (Norway) all batteries can be recycled and a small tax is applied to the sale of batteries to support recycling efforts while the market gets up and running. Battery recycling for batteries from button cells to car batteries hs been in place for many years and now Hydro and Northvolt have started commercial recycling operations with a capacity of 12 000 tonne of battery packs per year.
See https://www.hydro.com/en-US/media/news/2022/europes-largest-electric-vehicle-battery-recycling-plant-begins-operations/
If a little country like Norway can do it then so can the US.
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@ninalanyon Norway is proof positive that EVs can and do work.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
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@ninalanyon That's awesome!
Driver2 · M
@ninalanyon yea and Europe is burning wood for heat in some cases
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Driver2 [quote]yea and Europe is burning wood for heat in some cases[/quote]
Yes it is, I'm sitting by a wood burner right now. Burning locally sourced wood that is carbon neutral (minus a little bit of petrol and diesel for chain saws and tractors). What's your point?
Yes it is, I'm sitting by a wood burner right now. Burning locally sourced wood that is carbon neutral (minus a little bit of petrol and diesel for chain saws and tractors). What's your point?
Driver2 · M
@ninalanyon my point is green energy us a joke and climate change is a lie
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ninalanyon · 61-69, T
Driver2 · M
@ninalanyon plenty you need to resort to the oldest form if heat because the green energy is a failure . Also if Europe did nit abandon oil & gAs you would have plenty of energy
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Driver2 But I do have plenty of energy. And wood is just one source of it. In what way is it a failure? My home is warm, my car is charged, my computers and mobile phones are all working, all powered by renewable energy.
Europe in general has successfully reduced its energy use so the reliance on fossil fuels is slightly reduced and anyway no one has abandoned gas, they just get from non-Russian sources.
And lastly, we haven't 'resorted' to wood burning. We have been using wood as a major space heating heat source here in Norway forever.
Europe in general has successfully reduced its energy use so the reliance on fossil fuels is slightly reduced and anyway no one has abandoned gas, they just get from non-Russian sources.
And lastly, we haven't 'resorted' to wood burning. We have been using wood as a major space heating heat source here in Norway forever.