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Should plastic be banned?

I think it’s a good question. Nowadays, we shouldn't ban plastic because it’s really necessary for consuming all kinds of things, such as food, envelopes and different items. I don’t see that plastic could be replaced with another recycled material in a short period of time .
The main problem is how much plastic we recycle, and how much plastic waste is recollected, separated and recycled. It’s well known that there are tons of plastic waste floating in our oceans which is a big problem. The percentage of recycled plastic around the world is growing day after day. Although people have started to be conscious that separating their garbage is really important, This is not enough. Besides, What’s going on with years without any plastic recycling? Are governments interested in spending a lot of money hiring some companies which may collect the plastic in the ocean or in different spots around the world?
Unfortunately, in my opinion, the answer is NO. Furthermore, plastic waste will accumulate tons of garbage every day in a strange rhythm that little by little will have “eaten” our natural reserves of water and food. This will pollute our rivers, oceans and earth.
I appreciate your own opinion of this topic and add new ideas! Bye!
BlueVeins · 22-25
Banning plastic is currently out of reach, but a ton of shit that's currently made of plastic could be made of other materials. Bamboo toothbrushes, glass bottles, brick walls, etc can all reduce plastic production.

Long term, we'll just have to figure out how to make bioplastics and destroy existing plastic. Recycling isn't an option for the stuff we're currently using bc the quality declines between cycles.
revenant · F
What do you think your laptop and phone are made of ?
carpediem · 61-69, M
Plastic should not be banned. But recycling efforts need to be accelerated. No reason not to recycle plastic
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@carpediem Thnak you!

I know the subject only to a fairly general, lay level although over the years I have worked with various plastics including synthetic resins (the sort you cast, use for fibre-glassing, or make into special adhesives).

What you can recycle depends at household level on what recovery services you have in your area; and that can vary across the country.

These recoverable materials are all the "thermoplastics", i.e. those that can be softened and reshaped, or even melted and re-cast by heat. The eventual refiners mince the plastic into granules then melt and mould them into new products.

Even then recycling services tend to concentrate only on particular types, by their products. They typically include the bottles used for soft-drinks, shampoos and such-like; shop carrier-bags, and the moulded trays used for packing individual pies and cakes.The choice is set really by the recovery companies who buy the waste from the local authorities.

The manufacturers usually advise on the label about the type of plastic and if it can be salvaged - you might find, say, that a bottle can be but not its cap (different type of plastic). Alternatively or as well as labels, a recyclable item may carry the standard "Recycling" symbol printed or embossed on it, of small arrows following each other round a triangle. There may be a code-number next to it, but I am not sure what that means.

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To put it in context, as well as those plastics, all metals, expended batteries, glass, wood, paper and cardboard can all be salvaged; but whether you can help them on their way, and how, does depend on the public waste-collection services in your area. Some councils also collect garden waste and food waste; for turning into compost.

Advice on what can be salvaged locally, and how, should be obtainable from your local authority offices.
Pablok · 51-55, M
@ArishMell Here the supermarkets don't give you plastic bags anymore. People have to bring their handbags, reusable paper bag, etc like many years ago when our grandparents did.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Pablok Good idea! The ones I use offer bags for sale, and some at least do include ones designed to last a reasonable time.
Ynotisay · M
Where it gets tricky, outside of convincing people to recycle, is who is doing the recycling and at what cost. We used to send a lot of our recycling to China but they stopped accepting it. Other countries have as well. It's super costly and a lot of municipalities in the U.S. just can't afford it.

I do think we'll see alternatives to plastic that will become ubiquitous. There's no choice. Outside of the eco-friendly options we currently have, there's some really exciting work being down with materials that are similar to plastic but biodegradable and non-toxic. They're making big advancements but the biggest hurdle will be cost of production. Plastic is cheap to produce. But I think it's something will happen.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Which particular chemical types and physical forms of "plastic" do you have in mind?

The pollution is not from plastics per se but from people losing them, or disposing of them carelessly or wantonly; although the micro-beads used in some toothpastes and soaps are also a serious problem because they are simply washed down the drains.

Plenty of plastics to choose from. What of the various thermoplastics and thermosetting plastics (mainly synthetic-resins) in whatever you are reading this on; the PVC insulating the electrical cables or forming the double-glazing window-frames of your home; perhaps the polyethylene pipes delivering your drinking-water to your kitchen tap? And many, many more types and uses.

Most of the plastics, paints, varnishes, lubricants, etc., we use are made from petroleum derivatives. What will happen when we run out of that mineral (quite possibly well within this century) or stop using it by policy, is anyone's guess the policy-makers do not seem to grasp...
I think they should charge plastic manufactures an environmental fee for all the plastics they make.. 😒 maybe they'd think twice about making things and find ways to be more environmentally friendly and efficient..
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Pablok Littering is an offence anyway, in the UK; but the problem is catching them. The litter throwers, that is, not the manufacturers or sellers, of course.
I think they should fingerprint trash and fine the people who litter and make them do community service (picking up trash) @Pablok
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@SStarfish I doubt finger-printing would work in practice, but also risks catching people who have handled the items perfectly innocently and were not the ones who discarded it.

Fly-tippers have occasionally been caught by tracing information on labels or documents etc. within the dumped rubbish.
Heartlander · 80-89, M
I don't like the idea of banning anything and would prefer the efficiency and economics of the marketplace to rid or diminish use of undesirable products.

A lot of plastics are used because their cost doesn't include the cost of cleaning up the mess they leave behind or the cost of their impact on the environment. Find a way to tack the cleanup cost to the cost of the products themselves and the issues will resave themselves.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
Are you saying replace it with paper sacks, returnable glass bottles and paper straws? Great idea....
nuddie · 61-69, M
@nudistsueaz as it used to be in our younger days
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@nuddie Yes it did and worked very well for all.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
@nudistsueaz yes it did. I
Liked the peanut butter jars that were marked for measuring cups so that they could be saved and used. I have glass pasta sauce jars that are marked that way and jelly jar glasses from Griffin jellies made in Oklahoma and glass mug jelly jars too, great for every day drinks.
cherokeepatti · 61-69, F
I think we should be looking into using the types that don’t leach harmful chemicals in the food supply etc
Like2play · M
Single use plastic should be.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Like2play The plastic material is often, though not always, a recoverable type, with "single use" meaning the item itself.
Like2play · M
@ArishMell 95 percent of all plastic is just tossed. Recoverable mean nothing if it isn’t done.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Like2play "of all plastic"? That seems a very high amount, but it may depend where you are.

A large percentage of plastics generally are types that cannot be recovered anyway, and it is hard to see what can be done with them. That includes the composites used in wind-turbine blades, boats and electronic circuit-boards.

However, an enormous amount of those types that can be salvaged, is, at least in my part of the world. It is turned into various secondary products such as the imitation wood used for garden furniture.

One serious loss now recognised is not only of plastics but also of expensive metals, in domestic electronic equipment people throw into the household refuse fit only for land-fill, instead of disposing of it properly so its materials can be salvaged.
Cant go back economy would crumble for sure
SW-User
good luck with that
DDonde · 31-35, M
Placing limits on how much can be produced for consumer goods might be a start.
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caesar7 · 61-69, M
It's too bad that humanity is not responsible with respect to plastic. It is so useful. If only we treated it differently and know how to treat it. If only underdeveloped countries would know the value of recycling etc... then our oceans would be free of plastic pollutants and we could reuse the product for the benefit of mankind and beyond.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@caesar7 I fear the worst polluters are in the "developed" nations because it is they - we - who use the most plastics. We also know how to "recycle" those plastics that can be, and indeed do; but we also harbour so many who just dump their rubbish anywhere with no excuse for doing so.

Many plastics can not be salvaged for re-use, at least not in the same chemical form, and what we do with those appears a problem few address; perhaps because it is too difficult. You can melt the thermoplastics (mainly polyethylene and PVC), and re-mould them, but you can't do that with the thermo-setting plastics; and I am not sure if you can recover the synthetic rubbers to any great extent.

Among the biggest and most obvious examples are the composites used for making pleasure-boat hulls, wind-turbine blades and electronic circuit-boards. Those are relatively rare in the "underdeveloped countries", but what do we do with the vast tonnages of these our "developed" countries produce and use up? Just how do you scrap a ferry-sized "private yacht" or a stack of 80-metre span wind-turbine rotors, when they become worn out?

Sometimes I wonder which set of nations ought be trying to teach the other!
caesar7 · 61-69, M
@ArishMell Very valid points..thank you.

 
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