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SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
Eh?
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@SumKindaMunster I'm talking about the SCOTUS gutting the EPA's power to limit emissions.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@SW-User Gotcha. Unfortunately it's not the Supreme Courts role to come up with the laws and regulations to combat Climate Change, that's Congresses responsibility.
In reading the opinion, it appears the Court did not agree that the Executive Branch had the authority to dictate this due to an interpretation of an existing law.
That's unfortunate, but that's exactly what the Courts job is. It isn't to dictate the changes in society or laws that need to be made to combat Climate Change.
In reading the opinion, it appears the Court did not agree that the Executive Branch had the authority to dictate this due to an interpretation of an existing law.
That's unfortunate, but that's exactly what the Courts job is. It isn't to dictate the changes in society or laws that need to be made to combat Climate Change.
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[big][/big]@SumKindaMunster That's as maybe. But of course, the court wasn't dictating that emissions needed to be cut in the first place. Nevertheless, this is a SCOTUS, packed by Republicans, that has decided to return this power to Congress, knowing full well that Congress is incapable of doing anything at all at present thanks to Republican obstructionism. And of course, is just another of its decisions this week (along with abortion and gun control) that flies in the face of the majority viewpoint. You know it, I know it.
I wouldn't really give a monkey's normally, but unfortunately, the ramifications of this decision will be potentially fatal to life on earth. Where America leads, others follow sadly.
I wouldn't really give a monkey's normally, but unfortunately, the ramifications of this decision will be potentially fatal to life on earth. Where America leads, others follow sadly.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@SW-User [quote]Nevertheless, this is a SCOTUS, packed by Republicans, that has decided to return this power to Congress[/quote]
Packed by Republicans? 🤔 They didn't pack shit, the made the picks necessary when Justices retired or died. Nobody "packed" the court, though Democrats want to do that now, because their pissy that the Court has a conservative tilt now.
[quote]knowing full well that Congress is incapable of doing anything at all at present thanks to Republican obstructionism[/quote]
They're not going to do shit, they haven't for the 40 plus years Climate Change/Global Warming has been an issue. This has nothing to do with Republican "obstructionism" the Democrats had a super majority in Congress in 2008 and did absolutely nothing about Climate change at the time.
[quote]And of course, is just another of its decisions this week (along with abortion and gun control) that flies in the face of the majority viewpoint.[/quote]
Not the Court's job to determine laws based on "popularity" its about existing and previous statutes, and interpreting the laws already written based on their legality.
Was abortion supported by the majority in 1973 when the court first put Roe vs Wade in place?
Packed by Republicans? 🤔 They didn't pack shit, the made the picks necessary when Justices retired or died. Nobody "packed" the court, though Democrats want to do that now, because their pissy that the Court has a conservative tilt now.
[quote]knowing full well that Congress is incapable of doing anything at all at present thanks to Republican obstructionism[/quote]
They're not going to do shit, they haven't for the 40 plus years Climate Change/Global Warming has been an issue. This has nothing to do with Republican "obstructionism" the Democrats had a super majority in Congress in 2008 and did absolutely nothing about Climate change at the time.
[quote]And of course, is just another of its decisions this week (along with abortion and gun control) that flies in the face of the majority viewpoint.[/quote]
Not the Court's job to determine laws based on "popularity" its about existing and previous statutes, and interpreting the laws already written based on their legality.
Was abortion supported by the majority in 1973 when the court first put Roe vs Wade in place?
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@SumKindaMunster [quote]Packed by Republicans? 🤔 They didn't pack shit, the made the picks necessary when Justices retired or died.[/quote] Yes they did. Firstly, McConnell stole Obama's pick in 2016, inventing a non-existent rule saying that Justices should not be nominated in an election year, despite at least 14 previous Justices having been nominated in previous election years.
And then, of course, weeks before the election in 2020 he rushed through ACB's nomination, ignoring his own rule, to keep the pick away from Biden. He packed the court by changing the rules to suit his party and then ignoring them when they became inconvenient.
The Dems now have every right to pack the court in their favour. I think they will be able to do this because the overturning of Roe v Wade will bring out the Dem voters like never before in November. Hopefully, Biden will then have the votes to pack the court with progressive judges, and will be able to advance the legislature he promised and has thus far been blocked from doing. America and the world will be better for it. I for one can't wait :)
P.S. Regarding the fact that "no one did shit about climate for 40 years", whatever. That's then set in stone is it? No future legislation is allowed on climate because "we didn't do shit for 40 years"? Fine.
I also can't find any evidence for polling for Roe v Wade back in 1973, although I'm sure it would have varied massively state by state
And then, of course, weeks before the election in 2020 he rushed through ACB's nomination, ignoring his own rule, to keep the pick away from Biden. He packed the court by changing the rules to suit his party and then ignoring them when they became inconvenient.
The Dems now have every right to pack the court in their favour. I think they will be able to do this because the overturning of Roe v Wade will bring out the Dem voters like never before in November. Hopefully, Biden will then have the votes to pack the court with progressive judges, and will be able to advance the legislature he promised and has thus far been blocked from doing. America and the world will be better for it. I for one can't wait :)
P.S. Regarding the fact that "no one did shit about climate for 40 years", whatever. That's then set in stone is it? No future legislation is allowed on climate because "we didn't do shit for 40 years"? Fine.
I also can't find any evidence for polling for Roe v Wade back in 1973, although I'm sure it would have varied massively state by state
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@SW-User [quote]Firstly, McConnell stole Obama's pick in 2016, inventing a non-existent rule saying that Justices should not be nominated in an election year, despite at least 14 previous Justices having been nominated in previous election years.[/quote]
Fair, yet you didn't see Obama challenging that did you? You know why? Because they were SO sure that Clinton would win, they didn't see the point. That's on them.
[quote]And then, of course, weeks before the election in 2020 he rushed through ACB's nomination, ignoring his own rule, to keep the pick away from Biden. He packed the court by changing the rules to suit his party and then ignoring them when they became inconvenient.
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That's really reaching, at best he took advantage of arcane rules and his power to give favor to the Repuplicans. Is it fair? No. Is it legal? Yes.
Of course, you will conveniently forget all the Democrat corruption occurring at the same time like the Pied Piper campaign or the fake Russian Collusion witchhunt that was attempting to first make Trump the nominee so he would lose(that blew up in their face) and then making up a fake Russian Collusion story to get Trump to resign.
[quote] I think they will be able to do this because the overturning of Roe v Wade will bring out the Dem voters like never before in November[/quote]
Whatever, we'll see. All signs point to a Republican red wave. You aren't even a citizen.
[quote] Regarding the fact that "no one did shit about climate for 40 years", whatever. That's then set in stone is it? No future legislation is allowed on climate because "we didn't do shit for 40 years"? Fine.
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Not at all brother. I'd love for TPTB to do something about this. I just know that the Democrats aren't going to because they have been promising to do something for 40 plus years and here we are.
Fair, yet you didn't see Obama challenging that did you? You know why? Because they were SO sure that Clinton would win, they didn't see the point. That's on them.
[quote]And then, of course, weeks before the election in 2020 he rushed through ACB's nomination, ignoring his own rule, to keep the pick away from Biden. He packed the court by changing the rules to suit his party and then ignoring them when they became inconvenient.
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That's really reaching, at best he took advantage of arcane rules and his power to give favor to the Repuplicans. Is it fair? No. Is it legal? Yes.
Of course, you will conveniently forget all the Democrat corruption occurring at the same time like the Pied Piper campaign or the fake Russian Collusion witchhunt that was attempting to first make Trump the nominee so he would lose(that blew up in their face) and then making up a fake Russian Collusion story to get Trump to resign.
[quote] I think they will be able to do this because the overturning of Roe v Wade will bring out the Dem voters like never before in November[/quote]
Whatever, we'll see. All signs point to a Republican red wave. You aren't even a citizen.
[quote] Regarding the fact that "no one did shit about climate for 40 years", whatever. That's then set in stone is it? No future legislation is allowed on climate because "we didn't do shit for 40 years"? Fine.
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Not at all brother. I'd love for TPTB to do something about this. I just know that the Democrats aren't going to because they have been promising to do something for 40 plus years and here we are.
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@SumKindaMunster Well, regarding the Russian collusion, who knows what the Mueller report actually said. It was redacted to within an inch of its life, and it has thus far not been made public in its unredacted form. Can't think why...
Also, I honestly think that, this time, Democrats were on the verge of historic climate legislation if it hadn't been for just one man within their own ranks who would have personally lost millions in funding. And that is deeply sad.
Also, I honestly think that, this time, Democrats were on the verge of historic climate legislation if it hadn't been for just one man within their own ranks who would have personally lost millions in funding. And that is deeply sad.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@SW-User [quote]Well, regarding the Russian collusion, who knows what the Mueller report actually said. It was redacted to within an inch of its life, and it has thus far not been made public in its unredacted form. Can't think why.[/quote]
Because it's bullshit. You honestly think if they could have removed Trump by arresting him, they wouldn't have gone for it?
[quote] I honestly think that, this time, Democrats were on the verge of historic climate legislation if it hadn't been for just one man within their own ranks who would have personally lost millions in funding. And that is deeply sad.
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Hm, not sure of the reference, what are you referring to?
Because it's bullshit. You honestly think if they could have removed Trump by arresting him, they wouldn't have gone for it?
[quote] I honestly think that, this time, Democrats were on the verge of historic climate legislation if it hadn't been for just one man within their own ranks who would have personally lost millions in funding. And that is deeply sad.
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Hm, not sure of the reference, what are you referring to?
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@SumKindaMunster [quote]Because it's bullshit. You honestly think if they could have removed Trump by arresting him, they wouldn't have gone for it?
[/quote] Who knows? All I want to know is, why wasn't it released in its unredacted form? Surely if it was bullshit, the Trump administration would have rubbed it gleefully in the Dems faces.
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Hm, not sure of the reference, what are you referring to?[/quote] I'm referring to Joe Manchin (who receives millions in funding from the coal industry) who blocked Biden's $3.5 trillion and $1.5 trillion spending packages, which would have contained substantial Green New Deal policies and would have probably sounded the death knell for coal in the US.
[/quote] Who knows? All I want to know is, why wasn't it released in its unredacted form? Surely if it was bullshit, the Trump administration would have rubbed it gleefully in the Dems faces.
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Hm, not sure of the reference, what are you referring to?[/quote] I'm referring to Joe Manchin (who receives millions in funding from the coal industry) who blocked Biden's $3.5 trillion and $1.5 trillion spending packages, which would have contained substantial Green New Deal policies and would have probably sounded the death knell for coal in the US.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@SW-User [quote]Surely if it was bullshit, the Trump administration would have rubbed it gleefully in the Dems faces.[/quote]
They did, many times.
[quote]I'm referring to Joe Manchin (who receives millions in funding from the coal industry) who blocked Biden's $3.5 trillion and $1.5 trillion spending packages, which would have contained substantial Green New Deal policies and would have probably sounded the death knell for coal in the US.[/quote]
Ah ok.
Rhetorical question for ya.
Why does Congress insist on doing these massive, ridiculous, bloated omnibus bills instead of breaking them out into each subject, debating them, coming to agreement, then passing it?
They did, many times.
[quote]I'm referring to Joe Manchin (who receives millions in funding from the coal industry) who blocked Biden's $3.5 trillion and $1.5 trillion spending packages, which would have contained substantial Green New Deal policies and would have probably sounded the death knell for coal in the US.[/quote]
Ah ok.
Rhetorical question for ya.
Why does Congress insist on doing these massive, ridiculous, bloated omnibus bills instead of breaking them out into each subject, debating them, coming to agreement, then passing it?
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@SumKindaMunster [quote]They did, many times.[/quote] And yet... the unredacted report was never published, so we have only the Trump administration's word for it that it was bullshit. And they weren't exactly known for telling the truth.
[quote] Why does Congress insist on doing these massive, ridiculous, bloated omnibus bills instead of breaking them out into each subject, debating them, coming to agreement, then passing it? [/quote]
No idea, but the joke of it is, this is EXACTLY what Bernie Sanders is advocating! Make the Republicans vote and voters will soon see just how much they do not give a shit about what is important!
For example,
In a given year there are billionaires and large, profitable corporations that do not pay a nickel in federal taxes. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote for real tax reform to end these loopholes.
Millions of workers continue to earn starvation wages. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to raise the minimum wage to at least $15 an hour.
Americans pay, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to have Medicare negotiate prescription drug prices and cut drug prices in half.
Many old people in America are unable to afford the outrageous cost of dental care, hearing aids or vision care. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to expand Medicare to cover these basic health care needs.
On average, the cost of childcare in America is $15,000 a year! Let’s see how Republicans will vote to lower the cost of childcare.
America is the only supposedly developed country not to guarantee paid family and medical leave. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to provide at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave working families.
America has the highest level of child poverty of almost any major country. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to continue the $300 a month child tax credit, which cut child poverty by over 40%.
Millions of older people are struggling to survive on their inadequate Social Security benefits. Yet, the cap on Social Security taxation is $147,000. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to lift the earnings cap and increase Social Security benefits.
Workers who want to join unions are often unable to do so because of the illegal actions of their employers. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to give workers a fair chance to unionize.
And most importantly,
Scientists tell us that time is running out to combat climate breakdown. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to create millions of well-paying jobs transforming our energy system away from fossil fuel.
Bernie has said all this! Make the Republicans vote! I agree, and you seem to agree too!🤣
[quote] Why does Congress insist on doing these massive, ridiculous, bloated omnibus bills instead of breaking them out into each subject, debating them, coming to agreement, then passing it? [/quote]
No idea, but the joke of it is, this is EXACTLY what Bernie Sanders is advocating! Make the Republicans vote and voters will soon see just how much they do not give a shit about what is important!
For example,
In a given year there are billionaires and large, profitable corporations that do not pay a nickel in federal taxes. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote for real tax reform to end these loopholes.
Millions of workers continue to earn starvation wages. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to raise the minimum wage to at least $15 an hour.
Americans pay, by far, the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to have Medicare negotiate prescription drug prices and cut drug prices in half.
Many old people in America are unable to afford the outrageous cost of dental care, hearing aids or vision care. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to expand Medicare to cover these basic health care needs.
On average, the cost of childcare in America is $15,000 a year! Let’s see how Republicans will vote to lower the cost of childcare.
America is the only supposedly developed country not to guarantee paid family and medical leave. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to provide at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave working families.
America has the highest level of child poverty of almost any major country. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to continue the $300 a month child tax credit, which cut child poverty by over 40%.
Millions of older people are struggling to survive on their inadequate Social Security benefits. Yet, the cap on Social Security taxation is $147,000. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to lift the earnings cap and increase Social Security benefits.
Workers who want to join unions are often unable to do so because of the illegal actions of their employers. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to give workers a fair chance to unionize.
And most importantly,
Scientists tell us that time is running out to combat climate breakdown. Let’s see how many Republicans will vote to create millions of well-paying jobs transforming our energy system away from fossil fuel.
Bernie has said all this! Make the Republicans vote! I agree, and you seem to agree too!🤣
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@SW-User [quote]And they weren't exactly known for telling the truth.
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You really think that the massive leaks and speculation perpetrated by the MSM wouldn't have also spewed all sorts of unsubstantiated rumors about what that redacted information contained if it was anything juicy?
That certainly didn't stop then from publishing unsubstantiated rumors all the time while the investigation was going on. Suddenly it stopped when the report came out? And you have chosen to believe that if only we could see the redacted material, things would be different?
I highly doubt that. The whole thing was made up to try and pressure Trump to resign. It didn't work so once the report came out, it was irrelevant. Trump didn't do what they wanted, which was resign.
Bernie Sanders is a fraud and a clown. He let himself be used by the Democrats to allow people to believe he had a chance while also stacking the deck against him and manuvering the other candidates, particularly Elizabeth Warren to siphon his votes by promoting his ideas, albeit watered down.
He's not a stupid man. But he clearly doesn't care about his supporters and played along with the Democrats to allow Joe Biden, a path to the nomination.
Meanwhile people like you go on about how Trump supporters are bankrolling someone who doesn't care about them...in my estimation Trump did more for his supporters in 4 years as President, than Sanders has done in the 30 plus years he's been in Congress.
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You really think that the massive leaks and speculation perpetrated by the MSM wouldn't have also spewed all sorts of unsubstantiated rumors about what that redacted information contained if it was anything juicy?
That certainly didn't stop then from publishing unsubstantiated rumors all the time while the investigation was going on. Suddenly it stopped when the report came out? And you have chosen to believe that if only we could see the redacted material, things would be different?
I highly doubt that. The whole thing was made up to try and pressure Trump to resign. It didn't work so once the report came out, it was irrelevant. Trump didn't do what they wanted, which was resign.
Bernie Sanders is a fraud and a clown. He let himself be used by the Democrats to allow people to believe he had a chance while also stacking the deck against him and manuvering the other candidates, particularly Elizabeth Warren to siphon his votes by promoting his ideas, albeit watered down.
He's not a stupid man. But he clearly doesn't care about his supporters and played along with the Democrats to allow Joe Biden, a path to the nomination.
Meanwhile people like you go on about how Trump supporters are bankrolling someone who doesn't care about them...in my estimation Trump did more for his supporters in 4 years as President, than Sanders has done in the 30 plus years he's been in Congress.
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@SumKindaMunster Look, I think we have some common ground here. Neither of us want to see wildfires. Neither of us want to see floods. Neither of us want to see increasing desertification. Neither of us want to see the inexorable rise of the tides. Neither of us want to see mass coral bleaching. Neither of us want to see plastic choking our waterways and our seabirds. Neither of us want to see oil spills setting fire to the oceans or polluting our waterways.
I could go on. But I think we could agree that under a Trump administration, most of this will be inevitable. Doubtless Trump has done some good things for his supporters that I don't know, or frankly care about. But what I think we both know is that he does not give two flying fucks about life on earth as we know it. This is frankly the ONLY thing I hate about Trump when all is said and done. I swear to you that if Trump was re-elected and put in place sensible progressive policies regarding massively ramping up renewable energy spending, slashing fossil fuel subsidies, massively boosting EV subsidies with associated infrastructure, and restructuring or even cancelling debt payments for third world countries, America and the world would be a better place and I would never trash Trump again. Fact.
We both want the same thing at the end of the day.🌍🌎🌏🌱
I could go on. But I think we could agree that under a Trump administration, most of this will be inevitable. Doubtless Trump has done some good things for his supporters that I don't know, or frankly care about. But what I think we both know is that he does not give two flying fucks about life on earth as we know it. This is frankly the ONLY thing I hate about Trump when all is said and done. I swear to you that if Trump was re-elected and put in place sensible progressive policies regarding massively ramping up renewable energy spending, slashing fossil fuel subsidies, massively boosting EV subsidies with associated infrastructure, and restructuring or even cancelling debt payments for third world countries, America and the world would be a better place and I would never trash Trump again. Fact.
We both want the same thing at the end of the day.🌍🌎🌏🌱
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
@SW-User Fair enough, and yes I will acknowledge this was a subject I wish Trump was more concerned about. If there was ONE thing I was glad Biden did, it was to re enter America into the Paris Accords. I firmly believe that America should fulfill its contracted agreements no matter what your political persuasion is.
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@SumKindaMunster Fantastic. I will admit that you have made my day with your response 😊