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I Believe In Green Energy

I wanna talk about renewable energy for a second, specifically solar power. There's been a recent truism floating around about solar panels, claiming that they're not a viable option for producing electricity on a large scale because "they only operate at 18% efficiency." That statistic is true, but it's not the criticism people think it is. 18% efficiency is in actuality very high, but because most people don't know how "efficiency" is calculated when determining mass-energy equivalency, they think that it means solar panels are terribly ineffective.

Most methods of creating usable power involve converting mass into energy. All mass has energy (not all energy has mass though) and in order to harness that energy, you need to convert the mass. The three main ways of doing this are chemical reactions, nuclear reactions, and gravitational reactions. There's a fourth type, and that's antimatter, but we don't really talk about that as much because we haven't figured out how to harness the energy created by antimatter interactions, at least, not yet.

Any form of nonrenewable energy, including coal, oil, gasoline, petroleum, kerosene, propane, diesel, butane, and natural gas, are chemical reactions. And these reactions are so ridiculously bad at converting mass to energy that in my field of astronomy, we don't even count chemical reactions as a viable method of doing so. Chemical reactions convert [i]one billionth of one percent[/i] of the total mass involved in the reaction into energy. That means that fossil fuels operate at 0.000000001% efficiency. Suddenly, 18% doesn't seem like the abysmal data point that it did before.

So, why are solar panels so much more efficient? It's because there's no mass-energy conversion taking place. Light has no mass. Remember when I said that all mass possess energy but not all energy possesses mass? Light is an example of that. It has no mass. It does not take up space, it does not create a gravitational pull, it can pass through other sources of light without altering it. You couldn't, for example, fill a box with so much light that you couldn't fit any more inside. Wave-particle duality makes it clear that light IS carried by a particle, but like all force-carriers, it is a massless particle: the photon.

So solar panels don't require a method of converting mass to energy since light is already comprised solely of energy. All the solar panel has to do is harness it, and convert it into electricity. This process operates at about 18% efficiency, which means about 18% of all sunlight that contacts the panel over a set period of time is converted into usable power. It's extremely efficient, and does not produce emissions.

That being said, solar panels are expensive to produce and require the use of some substances which are difficult to obtain. So it's not perfect. But it's a hell of a lot better than chemical reactions like fossil fuels are.
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hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
A city not too far from where I am living shut down its solar farm. It cost $12,000,000.00 to build. It never worked as advertised. The area is quite sunny but the panels just never produced enough electricity to pay for themselves. Lack of storage is but one of the many problems with solar energy. The world doesn't stop when the sun goes down or a storm blows in.
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@hippyjoe1955 "The world doesn't stop when the sun goes down."
I'd like to introduce you to this really cool new thing that's just been invented. It's called a [i]battery.[/i]
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BlueMetalChick You don't get out much do you? Ever wonder why no one has built a battery capable of running a whole city for the entire night?
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@hippyjoe1955 TIL the power grid doesn't exist.

Have you ever turned on your lights at night? Apparently not.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BlueMetalChick So what is running the power grid? Not solar or wind.
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@hippyjoe1955 In some cases, yes, solar and wind. In many cases, turbines operate the power grid. And even when nonrenewable forms of fuel are used, far more power is created than is consumed. If you were to temporarily "switch off" whatever method is creating electricity, the power grid would still continue to operate for a few days from the stored electricity. It would run out eventually, of course, but probably 48-72 hours would go by before that happened.

Like I said, solar panels operate at 18% efficiency. Antimatter, which has the highest mass-energy efficiency of all, operates at 100%. One water bottle sized container of antimatter could power the entire United States for six months. 18% is a little less than one fifth of that. Do you really think that all that power is going to magically disappear overnight?
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
@BlueMetalChick What turbines are you talking about? Hydro electricity? Good plan. Not enough water to accomplish 100%. Add in unreliable solar and wind and you have a very very dark city. Maybe we should all shut off our computers.
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@hippyjoe1955 "Unreliable solar"
Because apparently you can't count on the sun coming up every day.

Lemme guess, geothermal is also unreliable because we can't count on the Earth's core to be hot all the time?
basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
@BlueMetalChick you know better than to argue with this git
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@basilfawlty89 You know better than to think I know better than to argue with anyone lol

Besides, it's like a site-wide pastime to watch me dunk on this guy. Someone even made a meme about it.