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I Don't Think a College Degree Always Indicates Intelligence

I'm not bragging about myself but I've always been an a+ student and going to college was a big dream of mine. I was bullied in highschool and I naively thought that college will be my heaven: a place full of people eager to learn , smart and open-minded. Now, I'm aware of the harsh reality.
College gives you education, it doesn't mean that you possess the intelligence to use it in a good way.After all, many presidents were Ivy league students and made a mess of the world.

I studied in an average university in France, I saw people who were there only to get laid. I saw them bullied other students (I never thought this kind of things could happen in college). I also met open-minded people who, at the end of the year, were unable to think outside of the box.
It made me understand that college is a place of conformity,not critical thinking. I rarely met a professor who was happy to see a student standing against his theories . Most of the time, you have to sit and swallow whatever will be given to you.
But worst of all,college turned me into an arrogant person detached from the reality of the world.I'm ashamed to say,I thought I was better than the janitor because I have a college degree and I was able to talk about existentialism or the complete work of Shakespeare.

Then reality bit me: I was forced to drop out due to some personal problems. I became a cashier at the local supermarket and my opinion on what the word "intelligence" really meant, changed drastically. In this supermarket, I met coworkers who have left school at an early age. They didn't have a college degree but they were street-smarts; they had a good common sense and they were as intelligent as the people I met in college. Their path of life was simply different.Their low wages made them fight for a good life everyday and I learned a lot from them (all the tricks to survive when you broke😉) .
But this is the most important thing they taught me: never judge someone on his level of education, his job or the weight of his wallet. Never forget that College degrees are often a result of opportunity, related to family, economic circumstances... It doesn't determine someone's worth.
(Sorry for my bad English)
Livingwell · 61-69, M
It sounds like you went to a poor school to have that experience and come away thinking that way. I’m sorry you went through that.

My experience was completely different. I was an adult student working in my engineering degree. I did run into instructors that wanted to hear you recite what they said. But I met many more that encouraged me to think. I also met people that said “I didn’t learn anything from college. I already knew everything”. It was obvious they didn’t with that attitude.

The purpose of college is not to teach you “things” but to teach you techniques of problem solving that can be applied to the real world. College is also a social learning place. One is supposed to learn how to form teams, communicate ideas, interact socially, learn how to budget time and money, etc. These are things that are not classes but learned through life experience.

I’ve met my share of college snobs. I’ve also met good people. I worked full time to put myself through college. I started jobs at the bottom. And I never forgot where I came from. To this day, I will nod at the janitor or cafeteria worker because I was once in their shoes. And I’ll never forget where I came from.
iamnikki · 31-35, F
Glad you learned this. ☺ I feel like I've lost all creativity by being in college. It simply doesn't allow for it. You follow the rules, if not, you fail. I think a lot of people thing college is what they see on tv. It's not. You go to class, sit in a lecture, ask/answer a few questions, then everyone rushes out, at least in my experience. It was nothing like I hoped.
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
@iamnikki We had it other way around. Too much freedom and common irresponsibility of teachers resulted in self-teaching. Our creativity flourished but the labour world doesn't want creativity. It wants well-established and steady ways which guarantee success in the market.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
I have several degrees most of which I would rather wipe my butt with than hang on my wall. University generates vanity. When I look back on life the wisest people I have ever know were some old dirt farmers and ranchers. I suspect they had to sit and think all day long as they did their job, riding horses or driving tractors, with little or no interaction with other people. I try to help homeless people get back on their feet with jobs and counselling. My one guiding principle comes from an old farmer who found a young woman stranded because her car was in the ditch. He approached her and gently asked, 'Are you stuck or do you want to be there'. I ask that question of everyone who asks for my help. Yes you are homeless. Are you stuck or do you want to be there. Those that want to be there I leave there. No point in me wasting my time and limited resources trying to help them stop what they don't want to stop.
greenmountaingal · 70-79, F
Thank you. That is a great little essay on the subject of real intelligence vs. superficial intellectualism. (Your English is very good!) People often forget that the founders of the Nazi Party in Germany were men with university educations. Intellectual attainment is only one kind of intelligence. In my 20s, I worked at a cannery and did other blue collar jobs; like you, I developed a lot of respect for those who did not have a lot of formal schooling or degrees from universities. Nothing is worse than an educated fool.
First let me say your English is really good your comment as well composed and written.

I am sorry that you had to drop out of University, it is never an easy feeling to leave your dreams, cutting them short.
You and I both have had similar experiences to a certain degree, although my experience with teachers were not as terrible or boring maybe because I studied engineering.

I met some wonderful students and I also some teachers/ professors who knew their subject very well, however, had no idea how to teach it.

Met some really obnoxious, rude and full of themselves students (although very few) however many of them were those who were spoon-fed. Yes some student partied hard, drank crazy, played video games most of the time when they should be attending classes, and some got laid almost everyday. Although majority of the students i met extremely hard-working, often working 20 to hours a week while taking full load courses, plus two jobs during summer support their education and not give up.

I've always been a strong believer in higher education.
Not just because it allows you to earn money but it allows you to be more productive part of the society...if one choses to...
Not to say that people who do not have a University degree or not productive, they are, some of the CEOs/founders of multinational companies are University dropouts including Michael Dell and so on.


I have very bitter experience, Having worked in manufacturing/ Engineering industry 80% of the people working on the floor always made comments like "you office people, paper pushers, Carpet people, make big bucks and have no idea how hard it is to work on the floor and the tough life. Whom i could talk, told thenm that choosing to go to university was the hardest and the most difficult thing, when I did not have tons of money and I worked two jobs had student loans, so I can get through my University.

yes after graduating with an engineering degree i was able to achieve many of my dreams and do what I wanted to do.
I'm also able to give my kids a better chance in life in learning and be educated.
Northwest · M
.I'm ashamed to say,I thought I was better than the janitor because I have a college degree

A coupe of issues:

1. You said that you dropped out, so you don't have a college degree.

2. How do you know the janitor does not have a college degree? When I was an undergraduate student, I worked as a waiter, bartender, and janitor in area restaurants.

In France, you're either at a Grande Ecole, or a University. If you're at a University, as an undergrad, you will probably have a mediocre experience. If you're at a Grande Ecole, your experience will vary, but you will interact with smarter people.

In any case, my experience is much different. I went to a school, where I was encouraged to think, challenge the status quo, and interact socially. There is a Greek system (fraternities, and sororities), but I avoided it, because this is typically where the assholes hang out.

Sure, for most classes, we had textbooks, but we did not come to class to learn the material. Class time was reserved to discuss what we read on our own, and extend our minds.

Not having a college education, does not mean you're not smart. But there's no such thing as being judgmental, if you have a college degree. What's the common thread between Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, and Mark Zuckerberg? They did not have college degrees when they started their companies, and became $Billionaires. Jobs died, never apologizing for being an asshole. Gates evolved from his earlier asshole days. Zuckerberg? We'll see when we can verify he's human.

One advantage you have in France, is that the good schools are (essentially) free, when in the US, it's not a level playing field.
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Northwest · M
@aloysia I am not passing a judgment, I am saying it like it is. I've spent quite a bit of time around people who were educated in France. My former partner has a PhD in math and computer science, from an ENSI, and her father is a Polytechicien, and a sister in law, who graduated form the Sciences Po, Paris, as well as several former colleagues who are Polytechniciens or Ecole Des Mines (and nearly all of them are colossal assholes).

Note that I did not say that the Grande Ecole is where the free thinkers go, I said that the "filtering" means that you're likely to have smarter people around you.

Sorry, I did not understand your next to last sentence, perhaps you can write it in French.

In any case, while I agree that you cannot judge a person's overall intellectual/empathic/creative worth by their education, having an education does not mean that one is a conformist.
aloysia · 36-40, F
@Northwest 1-For clarity, I have a bachelor degree in Modern literature, I left college 6 months after enrolling in a masters program.
2- I think you have missed my point: I tried to be honest in this post. Yes, I had this stupid prejudice toward the janitor.Of course, he may had have diplomas (my pizza delivery guy has a master degree in biological sciences)but I was writing about who I was back then:an arrogant and stupid girl who thought she was really smart because she was the first person in her family to go to college. I was the bad person in this post.
3- you're a bit judgemental yourself: yes, I was in a classic French university but I wanted to be a writer/ literature professor. I didn't need a diploma from a grande école.So, I chose the easiest and cheapest way: University. But the grandes écoles are worst when it comes to free thinking.

once again sorry for my bad English
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
I have opposite experience. Being in college, I always felt immature, spoiled and inexperienced in real life. I admired my peers who already gained some experience in real profession even if it was a job that was not very prestigious. I was aware that I lived in a bubble that was going to burst in the moment when I would finish my degree and the encounter with real life was going to be rather unpleasant. So it is. College is a bubble in many cases and the more degrees you have the more likely you will end up in the academic field because you become useless for practical life. I still think that the most admirable people are those who have real experience, practical skills and common sense regardless their degree. The most successful schoolmates I had didn't even finish Bachelor's degree.

Workplace bulling exists too. And in the nastiest forms.
GeniUs · 56-60, M
I do not have a degree and almost everybody I've met who has one sees themselves as better than those who don't. I've been asked by people doing both English and History degrees to give ideas for their dissertations and I also know numerous people who had 'help' when producing degree assignments. And none of this seems to stop them feeling superior! I do admire anybody who can give that commitment of resources to gaining this qualification however it is a measure of intelligence (to a point) it does not make you smarter.
malizz · 70-79, M
Once upon a time you used to have to be very intelligent or well-connected to be admitted to University. Nowadays they think that 50% are good enough as if education standards generally were not low enough already. Don't get me started on inverse snobbery.
Great experience about life.

I would like to share my own experience about being in University.
SW-User
👍🏻Wise words, glad you learned this when so many have not.
Hasmita · M
Never judge until you have walked in their shoes.
SW-User
I agree, Hope your having a great day.
SW-User
Couldn’t add a word. Spot on.
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