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ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
Ideally we should have "free" -- or, to speak realistically -- tax-funded education at least through a Bachelor's degree or trade school/apprenticeship program. But in the USA I doubt we could get people to pony up the extra tax dollars.
bijouxbroussard · F
@ChipmunkErnie Agreed.
nonsensiclesnail · F
A less educated population. Is that the goal?
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JonLosAngeles66 · M
@chrisCA ya think?
bijouxbroussard · F
@nonsensiclesnail That’s it, exactly.
nonsensiclesnail · F
@chrisCA maybe. Less educated doesn’t equate to gullible and foolish. But when you don’t have the right knowledge base you are easier to manipulate. If you don’t think for yourself you’ll believe what you’re told. Part of education is learning to think for yourself with a bigger database of knowledge to work from.
Still, Lots of educated folks are still idiots. Education doesn’t stop anyone from being a fool, being tricked. But it does far more good than hurt.
Still, Lots of educated folks are still idiots. Education doesn’t stop anyone from being a fool, being tricked. But it does far more good than hurt.
FloorGenAdm · 51-55, M
That's why the school bully gets to terrorize your @zz.
Dino11 · M
If you have to pay for7-12, is that tax deductible, or do you geta refund?
Sounds pretty messy to me..Will take a lot of money just
to administer this new payment plan.
Sounds pretty messy to me..Will take a lot of money just
to administer this new payment plan.
DylanGuy · 22-25, M
at least up to highschool.
After that i'm fine with charging tuition, but please have some of it government supported. Otherwise the debt people take on is insane.
After that i'm fine with charging tuition, but please have some of it government supported. Otherwise the debt people take on is insane.
meJess · F
Maybe we could start by actually providing an education, not an attempted indoctrination.
Iwillwait · M
That will set the world on fire for Americans seeking work.
JonLosAngeles66 · M
@Iwillwait we have a shortage of menial workers. This would solve that.
LeopoldBloom · M
All news is fake? So there’s no war in Ukraine and Biden isn’t the president. OK Boris.
SW-User
I mean technically speaking i only have a 8th grade education
Every1 nos you git edchukated by drinking paint chips.
SW-User
No, it should be free up through at least an associates degree at a public school that you can actually use for employment (e.g., STEM is most critical for the survival of the planet, an English degree not so much ... people going into STEM majors at public schools should be subsidized all the way through a bachelors degree, maybe even masters, as we all will be depending on them more than any other majors ... but maybe they might have to pay it back if they just go waste it on a gig at Facebook or other frivolous tech platforms).
Maybe some frivolous majors that will never get you a job might be excluded, and private schools would still be excluded after K-12.
Any of the more elective-like courses that would comprise the bulk of a typical "liberal arts" degree, and are not really like to get anyone employment, should be integrated into K-12 curriculum ... and K-12 needs to include at least one rigorous logic class.
A free education should come with higher expectations though. At the very least, all American kids should be competitive with (or as capable as) Asian kids. The economy is global, and problems are global, and in some cultures kids don't get to f-ck off as much. At the same time, while expecting our own future leaders to be more capable and competitive, they have to be reminded that this is still one planet, nation states are an arbitrary construct, and things like pollution completely ignore imaginary lines on the ground (borders), and invasive non-native flora and fauna should remain in their native ecosystems, and international travel should immediately be locked down at the first sign of any pandemic. And they have to learn that life is never simple, and no one is entitled to convenience and pretending that everything always has a simple/simplistic solution.
K-12 probably needs to start a year earlier (and thus be K-13 ... incidentally, a foreign language is arguably easier to teach when kids are 4 years old, to the degree that a foreign language may still be deemed useful ... but then perhaps a programming language may be more useful), the summer break should be shortened to no more than a month (especially considering a week may be taken off here and there for holidays and such elsewhere during the school term), and it should be more rigorous for everyone, not just "gifted" kids and such. We should be cramming as much useful knowledge as possible into kids, and reinforcing it so that it is not just forgotten by next semester or graduation. Teaching critical thinking is especially important. Future voters should be able to spot conspiracy theories for instance. Perhaps common sense, civility, awareness of one's surroundings, and anti-narcissism has to be taught as well. People should also be taught how to go into a store and shop buy themselves, rather than taking the whole family, and how to not take up both sides of a grocery store aisle simultaneously, and how to not be transfixed by a smartphone at every moment of one's day (perhaps leading to that oblivious blocking of the grocery store aisle). And they needed to be reminded every semester than nothing in this world is actually "disposable."
And divorce sports from the public education system, let the private sector fund that completely as an extracurricular activity independent of education at the K-12 and college levels.
Maybe some frivolous majors that will never get you a job might be excluded, and private schools would still be excluded after K-12.
Any of the more elective-like courses that would comprise the bulk of a typical "liberal arts" degree, and are not really like to get anyone employment, should be integrated into K-12 curriculum ... and K-12 needs to include at least one rigorous logic class.
A free education should come with higher expectations though. At the very least, all American kids should be competitive with (or as capable as) Asian kids. The economy is global, and problems are global, and in some cultures kids don't get to f-ck off as much. At the same time, while expecting our own future leaders to be more capable and competitive, they have to be reminded that this is still one planet, nation states are an arbitrary construct, and things like pollution completely ignore imaginary lines on the ground (borders), and invasive non-native flora and fauna should remain in their native ecosystems, and international travel should immediately be locked down at the first sign of any pandemic. And they have to learn that life is never simple, and no one is entitled to convenience and pretending that everything always has a simple/simplistic solution.
K-12 probably needs to start a year earlier (and thus be K-13 ... incidentally, a foreign language is arguably easier to teach when kids are 4 years old, to the degree that a foreign language may still be deemed useful ... but then perhaps a programming language may be more useful), the summer break should be shortened to no more than a month (especially considering a week may be taken off here and there for holidays and such elsewhere during the school term), and it should be more rigorous for everyone, not just "gifted" kids and such. We should be cramming as much useful knowledge as possible into kids, and reinforcing it so that it is not just forgotten by next semester or graduation. Teaching critical thinking is especially important. Future voters should be able to spot conspiracy theories for instance. Perhaps common sense, civility, awareness of one's surroundings, and anti-narcissism has to be taught as well. People should also be taught how to go into a store and shop buy themselves, rather than taking the whole family, and how to not take up both sides of a grocery store aisle simultaneously, and how to not be transfixed by a smartphone at every moment of one's day (perhaps leading to that oblivious blocking of the grocery store aisle). And they needed to be reminded every semester than nothing in this world is actually "disposable."
And divorce sports from the public education system, let the private sector fund that completely as an extracurricular activity independent of education at the K-12 and college levels.
bijouxbroussard · F
Doesn’t public school go through 12th grade ?
JonLosAngeles66 · M
@bijouxbroussard yeah but if we’re paying for a bunch of smarty pants leftist elites to go the college, why should we pay for 7-12 grade? American Exceptionalism?
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
Thanks for clarifying for everybody that Republicans are against the idea of educated voters.