Musk Spreading Russian Propaganda

@ArishMell The first part is a longstanding narrative. Claiming Russia has a sophisticated intelligence network and then proceed to basically claim that equals B tier 4chan raid tactics and trolling. Those are contradictory.


And ask yourself with anything like this cui bono? Who benefits. The US benefits most from a bogus story that discredits any dirty laundry that comes out of USAID or NED.


And the British are a belligerent in the conflict in Ukraine. British sources are not remotely neutral here.

@ArishMell Olga Robinson is not American, but probably learned her English from an American. Her BBC biog reads

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Russia does have a sophisticated intelligence network, as do most of the major nations including the USA - but this is not about intelligence gathering. Unintelligence spreading more like.

I can see the new US President and his X mate despise the USAID and the NED but I don't know the real reason. It's very confusing when you have a President who wants his country to take over other's lands but also have nothing to do with international bodies and treaties.

Britain is not all that "belligerent" in Ukraine. We support its fight to defend itself against Russia's unwarranted invasion, and have supplied munitions to it and trained their soldiers here, but have not sent any forces there. Nor ever tried to claim neutrality. Though Putin does like to imagine the UK is his worst enemy!

It took me a few moments to untangle the text, but your reference to 4Chan is just silly.
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I know only of that through a long-running BBC Radio Four investigation trying to understand what Qanon was and its source. We learnt 4Chan was an obscure web-site that had hosted Qanon's early chats, but despite diligent journalism Gabriel Gatehouse was unable to track down Qanon's inventor. I don't suppose we'll ever know unless he or she (or they) owns up!

Gatehouse was inspired to investigate by meeting someone claiming to be the "Qanon Shaman"! He didn't interview this character formally but did talk to him, and realised there was to it than just this one man.

@FreddieUK Thankyou. At one point I wondered if she is in fact Australina.

It is noticeable a lot of people even from countries whose governments officially dislike the USA talk with American accents. An English acquaintance who teaches English in Sweden once told me a lot of that is thanks to American films.

@ArishMell Many years ago I was invited to help a Swedish family to have conversations in British English so they didn't pick up US accents. The girls were receptive but boy was not convinced and now a man he speaks with a pronounce US accent. You're right, Hollywood is very influential.

@ArishMell Except that doesn't even ad up. Powerful countries with serious intelligence agencies do very specific things to achieve very specific outcomes.

That is the complete opposite of "be a random troll on the internet and hope the chaos does something we like."

I mean there are legit reasons to have an issue with USAID and NED. No idea why Trump is not a fan. But both organizations are offshoots of the CIA. That is why they were created.

A former director said they were created to do what the CIA can't. And to basically hide the ball when it comes to stirring up shit in other countries.

Britain is absolutely a belligerent in this proxy conflict. Not even the MOD denies that at this point and neither do the Americans. Are we seriously going to play 2014 silly games and pretend this all just came out of nowhere?

And your twisted logic doesn't change the facts. Yes UK personel are on the ground in Ukraine and have fired shots in anger. Those fancy cruise missiles? They require British, American, French etc military personel to enter the targeting data and the sattelite info. Those are state secrets and all of those countries handing that information over to a Ukrainian to do is literally illegal. In the UK I believe it is the Official Secrets Act.

But you don't even need to play that game. American soldiers in Vietnam were "advisors" for years before they got a label change.


I referenced 4chan because that is literally the level of nonsense here.

4chan are not really related to Qnon but have been about spreading mischief and chaos online. Their suspected involvement in Qanon is because that sort of nonsense is the sort of thing these people find funny.

It varies from illegal hacking, to "lets see what dumb shit we can convince people of online, to doxxing someone to send them 200 pizzas.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow What Trump does within the USA is you Americans' business but the USA's foreign policies have considerable effects around the world.

There are foreign troops in Ukraine, yes, but not officially by government action, and not only British. One who is, was interviewed on the radio today. He explained the Ukrainians have a "foreign legion" of volunteers who have chosen to go there by their own initiative. The UK's Foreign & Commonwealth Office does try to advise people not to go, but has no more power to stop them than it does to send them.

France has now started sending fighter planes but I do not know if pilots are supplied or if the French aair-force trained Ukrainian pilots in France. (As Britain trained Ukrainian tank crews here in England.)

However, can you clarify your stance on Ukraine? You imply that you support Russia's action.