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So the thing is after two doses. People are getting covid and omicron as well.

Now they say the booster shot will work. Then why did they made 2 useless vaccines and made it mandatory? Now i read people will also get 4th dose in future. It's like health sector is playing around on a big level. The vaccine corrupts your immunity. But now people have no choice. It's like mankind is effed up totally. The natural immunity of our body is much better. The covid vaccine makes your body weak in beginning because it corrupts your cells, DNA. 😔

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Scribbles · 36-40, F

The vaccine is not useless, it's just not a condom either(if you'll forgive the metaphor). It can't prevent you from getting Covid, it's to help you to get mildly sick and prevent you from getting really really sick and dieing from it.

It's effectiveness just doesn't last forever because the human body's lymphatic system and viruses are a complicated thing. It's not a one and done deal. Everyone's body is different and complicated and the effectiveness of a vaccine can wear off, and viruses can mutate. Eventually the booster shot's effectiveness will wear off and there will be another booster shot most likely for anyone with a compromised immune system or if a new virus strain of Covid becomes more deadly.

The vaccine does not corrupt your immunity. The Vaccines utilizing mRNA are actually safer for patients, more effective, faster and cheaper to make, and don't need to use infectious elements to teach a human body to fight a virus like the old way. It can not and does not change any DNA. It simply teaches certain cells to create an antigen. And Like antivirus software on a computer...you need to update it sometimes

Natural immunity is not better in cases where a sickness can kill you. The vaccine has proven to give you a better chance of survival. A vaccine is giving your body's immune system the best chance to fight off the virus so you don't end up in a hospital.

Your body may feel weak after a vaccine or booster shot because it's kicking your immune system into responding and getting ready to fight a virus. That's why you feel tired, sore, feverish, or may get a rash or swollen lymph nodes. It's actually a very good sign because it means you know it's working.

Hopefully that makes sense.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@Scribbles Nice theory about 'lessened' symptoms. Sadly that can not be proven to be true. There simply is too wide a variation in degree of illness.

Scribbles · 36-40, F

@hippyjoe1955 I'd like to see some data of your claim.

Because even though there is a variation in severity of illness in every case of illness in human history...that does not mean it is impossible to measure a vaccine's effectiveness.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@Scribbles Agreed there is always a variation in every illness. However only a scoundrel with no ethics or morals would say that his nostrum lessens the symptoms when there is no way you can quantify 'lessens symptoms'.

Scribbles · 36-40, F

@hippyjoe1955 what about all the Clinical trials? What about all the data currently being collected so that we can learn more about the effectiveness of each vaccine against each specific type of Covid virus. What about all the companies who deal with quality control and have pharmaceutical companies and research labs, etc as clients and are on their asses...

There is some data. I'm not saying we know EVERYTHING because that's impossible. In medicine, one is always learning and updating their knowledge. It's not a con to prescribe something that does what it is meant to do...boost your immune system to fight a specific virus. It would be immoral to not do so simply because you cannot say it will lessen symptoms by a specific percent. That's just silly to expect.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@Scribbles I have seen enough reports from those who were doing the 'clinical trials' to know the data from them is highly suspect. Given that they are trying to quantify that which can not be statistically quantified..... Yeah so much for clinical trials. BTW did you know that most of those trials were never completed?

Scribbles · 36-40, F

@hippyjoe1955 I wouldn't have completed those trials either. Keep taking more data! Start more phases investigating the quality of a vaccine or booster shot and the effect it has vs a placebo. I'm all for that! That doesn't mean that the data so far isn't useful.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@Scribbles Did you proof read what you just wrote because it comes across as nonsensical word salad from my side of the debate.

Scribbles · 36-40, F

@hippyjoe1955 hmm, I'll try to rephrase it. I'm trying to say that I am aware some clinical trials are uncompleted. Is that supposed to be a surprise and shock me into being afraid of a vaccine?

That doesn't mean that safety protocols are ignored. Or that other testing isn't done. Or that an uncompleted clinical trial isn't still ongoing or that a new phase, or new trial hasn't started. There is still data to be gleaned even from little reports from uncompleted clinical testing.

Does that make better sense?

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@Scribbles If you are willing to take an untested an unproven nostrum into your body in the faint hope that it will 'lessen the symptoms' I guess you can have at it. I will pass. I prefer to leave my immune system intact rather than have it destroyed by an mRNA vax.

Scribbles · 36-40, F

@hippyjoe1955 Maybe you should try to seek out infectious disease specialists and infectious disease microbiologists and lab researchers and people who manufacture vaccines and seek out people who have been working on mRNA Vaccines for the past decade and learn more about what it is and why it's being used. I asked questions at first too. I'm lucky to have many scientists in my family (some currently studying Covid viruses, etc) so it's been easy for me to learn alot and have confidence in the mRNA Vaccines I suppose.

Hope you stay healthy. I've had a dear family.memeber refuse to get vaxxed and she died rather painfully in the hospital from covid. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. :/

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@Scribbles Ditto. It seems as though you are the one that is uninformed on these things.

Scribbles · 36-40, F

@hippyjoe1955 we'll have to agree to disagree. That's ok.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@Scribbles I had the disease. Anyone getting vaxed to avoid that is deluded. A mild cold? Seriously?

Scribbles · 36-40, F

@hippyjoe1955 Then you've been lucky, in my humble opinion.

Glad to hear you had nothing more then mild cold symptoms.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@Scribbles Well I think anyone who has survived the shot without harm is very lucky. I know more people who have been harmed by the shot than have had the disease. One of the harmed is dead and another is not likely to survive the year. So very very sad. Both were in perfect health prior to the jab.

room101 · 51-55, M

@Scribbles I notice that you've asked dippy to provide evidence that supports his claim. A little heads up, dippy never provides evidence about anything that he says. Never!

He just resorts to insults and tells you that you are the one who is uninformed. But provides nothing which supports his "information".

As always, you've been polite and not resorted to his tactics. As you know, I'm not quite so erm........restrained hahahaha.

The guy is worse than useless.

hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M

@room101 heads up. you never provide and evidence. Do try to keep up.

room101 · 51-55, M

@hippyjoe1955 Try that again in English hahahaha

Don't worry, I know what you were trying to say. And yes dippy, when called for, I always provide evidence. I did just the other day and asked for the same from you. As did at least one other SW member.

You, on the other hand...................tumbleweed.

Scribbles · 36-40, F

@hippyjoe1955 I'm sorry to say that I think you're wrong.

I am very sorry for your loss and the very Ill health of your friend. That is not always easy to deal with. If their extreme health problems really are directly from a vaccine then that is rare. But perhaps still possible.

But I fail to understand how you are more informed when your theory is based off "some people I know". Which is really vague and really doesn't strike me as as very scientific or informative to me. I've always learned that basing my knowledge on something like if I used what a small circle of average friends and coworkers all say to me about a given topic means I'd be wrong at least like 50 percent of the time. I see other people make that same fallacy.

But like I said, we'll have to agree to disagree and wish each other good health.

Scribbles · 36-40, F

@room101 He reminds me of one of my uncles who debates in a similar manner. Who I had a devil of a time trying to convince that 5g internet is not going to kill everyone during the last time I saw him because he believes what a coworker said and what his son and wife says and what Fox news said one time about it over anything that refutes it.