People that got the vaccine do you regret it yet?

@Spectra Funny thing is the official numbers over count the covid deaths and undercount the vax deaths by a very wide margin.

@hippyjoe1955 where’d you get this information?

@Josh1454 Lots of different places. I have heard eminently qualified people say it. There is the report of the guy who died in a motorcycle crash being labeled a covid death. Someone else had been shot and it was labeled covid too. My friend who is a medical doctor said that before he was fired for telling the truth he was told to put covid as cause of death on many death certificates where the only way they knew the person had covid was they ran a PCR test on his dead body. He was fired when he refused to label a heart attack as a covid death. The man had a very long history of heart ailments. Covid didn't cause his death.

@hippyjoe1955 my point is that you say you get the information from the internet and so does she, yet your information is correct and her’s is incorrect. Why? Because you trust the sites? What if she trusts the sites she sees. Basically what I’m saying is there is just as much chance you are wrong and she is right as much as she is wrong and you are right. Making an argument that there are loads of places with the information is a poor way to make an argument. Essentially you’re saying I don’t know but the information is out there. I’m not even saying you’re wrong. Just that your argument is very flawed and most likely wrong due to lack of evidence on your end.

@Josh1454 My information has a lot to do with what I observe among the people around me. When a flu is going through the community I know people who have it even if I don't have it. A number of years ago there was a nasty flu strain that went though the community. I didn't get it but I know 4 people who did have it. They all had similar symptoms. When covid hit I knew some people who got sick. I don't know any who were hospitalised and I certainly don't know any who died from it. The same can not be said of the vax. A woman on my crew was anxious to get the vax. She pushed her way to the front of the line. The next day she had shingles. Her husband who really didn't want the vax got his second shot a few months later. He then had a heart attack. A former employee of mine got his shot then sent me a picture of him in the hospital after having a heart attack. My brother in law was a picture of health. He loved to go RVing so he got the shot. Three days later he was dead from blood clots in his lungs. My neighbor is a hard working man who needed to get jabbed to keep his business going. He got the shot about 10 am. The next morning his wife woke up with a dead body in bed with her. His heart had suddenly stopped. I could go on but there are 8 people I knew that died from strange illness shortly after getting jabbed. Funny but none of the unjabbed suffered a similar fate.

@hippyjoe1955 you can’t change your story. You started by saying the info is everywhere online. Then changed it to what you see around you. I’ll just say this. Before the vaccine was released, I knew people who died from Covid. However, if what you say is true then everyone should have an increase in people dying around them since the vaccine. Since the vaccine most people I know have had no one die around them except through means that were already quantified before like cancer and what have you. I can argue that it works and you can argue that it doesn’t. However, without actual quantifiable data both sides will always be wrong.

@Josh1454 And it is on line. Go look for it. I am simply saying that the info I choose to believe is based on my personal experience. When there are conflicting accounts of the same story I tend to believe the one that most closely reflects my own experience.

@hippyjoe1955 I don’t think you get what I’m saying. Read the actual words. You say it’s online. So is all the information to the contrary. You say you see it happening. I see the contrary. So the only way you can prove yourself right is with a legitimate documentation that is backed by people that are considered experts on this subject. So just saying it doesn’t make it true or me saying that I am a millionaire and since I wrote it here it is online, that makes it true, by your logic. Funny enough in lot even saying you’re wrong. I’m simply saying that by your logic anyone arguing the counter point is also correct.

@Josh1454 I don't think you understand what I said. Yes the information is online. So is the other side. How do you determine which is accurate and which is misleading. I don't appeal to authority. I don't rely on peer reviewed studies. I base my opinion on information I see that meshes with what I experience. If there are two weather reports one says the sun is out and the other says that rain is falling. Which report do I believe. Both are online. Well I don't know about you but I look out the window. If I see the sun shining I know the report that the sky is cloudy is not accurate.

@Spectra

can i look up long term affects ?