Negationism? I don't care

@Elessar The full lockdown does help. Not affordable for most tbough.

@Elessar I would accept a lockdown only on those conditions that would last for a month:
- Everything except really really essential businesses closed. That includes schools.
- Only one household family member is allowed to go out once a week for food.
- Public salaries and pensions cut to 800 euro that month. The rest goes for private small businesses, who would get the average monthly declared in taxes during 2019.
- Borders totally closed, with the sole exception of those bringing essential supplies from abroad, and these ones only if they are tested negative. Anyone trying to enter the country illegally would be shot.

@Nevaeh0081 I'm aware, we had one for long here as well.

@Cierzo Yeah, I mostly agree with your points.

- On the schools point I wholeheartedly agree, the most urgent problem is lowering the curve now, children skipping some months of school won't generate a mass of ignorant people (more ignorant than the masses already are, above all) as some might seem to suggest. The real point IMO, that they don't emphasize much, is that schools are essentially parking lots for children, and if children (above all <14) will be left at home, the govts will have to guarantee funds or paid leaves for parents...
- Agreed, like it was in March.
- With the exceptions that businesses which declared ridiculous revenues to the tax office should get compensated on the base of what they paid in taxes so far, not arbitrary amounts. Because at least here they're major whiners, but when it comes to paying taxes, they always find a workaround (not all of them, of course).
- Yeah, and I'd say trans-border workers, because at least for us (but I suppose for Spain is the same) there are companies and especially industries that would shut down permanently if they couldn't import/export goods.
- They've attempted to "close harbors" here, which eventually only resulted in more clandestine arrivals and no control at all on those who crossed the border, while at least now they get isolated; it's a complex problem that would require a joint European response, and not one limited to the current pandemic situation. Especially considering that Erdogan is now training the Libyan coastguard, guess why...

@Cierzo I didn't agree with your opening statement, but I do agree with this one.
Either lock down or don't there's no point in some people staying at home and only going out for essentials if their kids are going to school.
Why are pubs open, the reason for drink driving laws are because drunk people make terrible decisions, but it's apparently ok to get drunk in a pandemic.
I'm in the UK we, like everyone else had safe travel corridors so that we could go on holiday, why? At best this would slowly spread the virus if we flew on our own, unfortunately it is deemed appropriate to put a few hundred people in a tube while recirculating the air for a few hours and pretend there's no risk!
Our lock downs are an ineffective inconvenience and nothing more.

@JohnblackthornThe lockdowns we have had and are having now in Europe are just destroying economy and curbing people's freedoms without giving any positive results, because there are too many holes in them.
So it is either FULL lockdown, or no lockdown. What we are going through just has the drawbacks of both, but no advantages.