How can so many people become uninsured?

@Picklebobble2 How do you address it without opening businesses back up?

@Roadsterrider Well the short answer is take just one of the trillions borrowed and thrown at business with no guarantee of return and invest it specifically at low income households medical insurance needs.

But since that ship has sailed (without borrowing yet another one) perhaps it's time to enact some new laws with regard to insurance companies who are happy to take people's money in good times and bad and then tell folk they aren't covered for specified treatments when tough time hit.

@Picklebobble2 Throwing money at the problem is the typical liberal answer, but the government doesn't make money, they take it from those who have to give to those who don't in cases like this. Nothing is free, and personally I think we should cut all spending except for essentials until the budget is balanced. There wasn't a real problem with insurance until 1973 when the government got involved with the HMO act of that year. They started changing it in 1976, and that is the first time in my life that I had health insurance bought by my parents. We were poor, but even we could afford to go to the doctor. After the government got involved, the price started going up. After the mid 70s insurance was always a concern my parents discussed. I saw the same thing with the mandate on auto insurance in the 1980, My first insurance policy was $53 for 6 months of liability insurance, comprehensive was about $400 for an 18 year old kid. The government made insurance mandatory because it would make it cheaper for everyone because the pool would be bigger. My next 6 months cost me $300 for liability and comprehensive was $400. If the government gets involved, it will cost me more.

@Roadsterrider .....still doesn't address the fact your President has gone into debt for three trillion specifically for business this term and even had Pence saying in a speech a few weeks ago they'd guarantee industry another trillion prior to this coronavirus outbreak.

American healthcare by insurer is a joke. Everybody knows what you need to do yet you still keep playing this game where provision will come from elsewhere.....
Somebody somewhere gets rich off all this !

@Roadsterrider [quote]but the government doesn't make money[/quote]
The Treasury Department is going to be really surprised to hear about this.

@OggggO I was saying that the government doesn't earn it's revenue, it take it from others in the form of taxes. The federal reserve can print more but that only makes it worth less overall and causes inflation.

@Roadsterrider That's only half the picture. Guess how much all those dollars are worth without the government?

@OggggO There will always be a government, I don't think there should be so much of it.

@Roadsterrider Stop dodging the point.

@OggggO The point is that the discussion and the question was about health care and who pays for it, not what dollars backed by the federal government would be worth if there was no government. If that government doesn't exist, there would be no faith and credit of the denomination. That still doesn't answer the question of how the government plans to expand medicare and Medicaid to cover the whole country. Do you think they can just print money to cover what ever they want to spend? Is that where you are going?

@Roadsterrider [quote]Do you think they can just print money to cover what ever they want to spend? Is that where you are going?[/quote]
No it's not. They'll pay for it the same way they pay for current Medicare and Medicaid.

@OggggO Yes, they will pay for it the same way they pay for those programs, taxing people more. That is the point, when have I been taxed enough? At some point, it starts bringing the middle class down to the point where they need those welfare benefits too. Prior to WW1 government revenue was generated by import and export tariffs. Trump was on the right track with trade. Once the politicians got their hands in our pockets, they never took them out.

@Roadsterrider [quote]That is the point, when have I been taxed enough? At some point, it starts bringing the middle class down to the point where they need those welfare benefits too.[/quote]

We are nowhere near that point. When our middle class was at it's strongest, taxes were far higher.

[quote]Trump was on the right track with trade.[/quote]

Trump had to bail out farmers and factories with billions of dollars because he fucked up trade so badly.