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Hey admins either ban [removed by staff] again or ban me for calling him out

He’s a chronic abuser and does nothing but hurt users on your site. He creeps on underage girls on this site and on others. So write me up and flag my profile or whatever you gotta do but that piece of trash shouldn’t be welcome here.
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Andrew · Admin Pinned Comment
[big][u]Updated:[/u][/big]

We've looked into this issue a bit further, after more information was submitted.

As this query regarding the [Subject] user has already been made public, and his character made questionable, it would be fair, in this case, to outline the general information that was found.

[i](We had to examine chat logs in this case, as the [Subject] is being accused of possibly criminal activity, which requires escalated investigation.)[/i]


It was reported that [b]the [Subject] had groomed a teen user on SW, and requested pictures from her[/b].

Only a few exchanges between the [Subject] and [Female User] were found:

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[quote][[u]3 years ago[/u]]

[b][Subject][/b]: You never shown me what you look like

[b][Subject][/b]: Are you male or female

[b][Female User | 17][/b]: I posted a selfie tho, but fine

[b][Subject][/b]: When?

...[/quote]

[quote][[u]2 years ago[/u]] [i](The last few exchanges)[/i]

[b][Female User | 18]: [/b]I sadddd, hug meee

[b][Subject][/b]: What's wrong dear[/quote]


[sep]


(It is possible, likely, that the [Subject] did interact with the [Female User] in public.
Possibly in the nature of interactions he has had with some other female users on here.

It takes more time and work for us to locate those public interactions, as they would be scattered across many posts.)


We were unable to find clear evidence that the [Subject] was grooming that female user, or any other users on Similar Worlds.

The subject may have been "annoying", "immature" or even a bit "pushy" in asking the user to show a "Selfie" of themselves.

There isn't any indication that the [Subject] asked the [Female User] for anything more than one selfie image.


[b]Importantly, the [Female User] did NOT display their AGE, nor Gender, apparently.

Neither did she appear to make mention of her age, in the exchanges with the [Subject].[/b]

We did not yet find evidence that the [Subject] was aware that the user was 17-18 years old at the time of their interactions,
nor that grooming or abuse was done, or intended.



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[big][u]Original:[/u][/big]


Hello all,
We did look into, and hoped to conclude, this matter.

One thing that makes the process a bit difficult and confusing for staff however (which delays a final decision being taken), is when serious claims are being made, to which we cannot yet find evidence to support.

It seems to be repeatedly implied, that the user being complained about: [b]Harasses / Grooms / Abuses, Underaged Girls / Minors / Children.[/b]

To which we cannot yet find any evidence of at all.


We remind again, that we take instances of child abuse/grooming, and claims of such, very seriously, and we are in regular, direct communication with various international law enforcement officials, on a weekly basis, tackling very real cases of predation and child abuse.


[i](Just recently, again, this month):[/i]


[sep]


We do understand that there are also numerous claims of general harassment and abuse towards other users (which to be fair, does come from many other users as well, subjectively from both sides of the complaints).

While there are several methods available to help prevent/reduce targeted abuse,
we have already given the user in question a [b][u]FINAL Warning[/u][/b], pending Permanent Suspension, if they continue acting in a similar manner.


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The more serious claim, still to be verified, is that of the user being a predator towards underaged girls:

[quote]He creeps on underage girls on this site and on others.[/quote]

[quote]This place isn't only nicer without child grooming, it is safer[/quote]


Those claims also cause other users to suspect/assume/repeat the same:

[quote]If he is targeting ladies and underage girls he should be BANNED
[/quote]


From what we can see so far,
the user being complained about, [b]actually has LESS (private/PM) Interactions with any known Minors on this site, than the average Male user on SW[/b], per our generated interaction data.


We have seen very many times on this site over the past years,
when a user is being disliked by numerous others, claims of being a "Pedophile" or "Harassing young girls" regularly emerges,
which tends to gain "support" from other users, provoking emotions, which drives anger and outrage towards the target user, and their reputation is tarnished.


We aren't disputing that those claims could be true, however, we would like clear evidence, before taking some permanent action on a user.


Please do create a Support Ticket, submitting evidence to support these claims (if you haven't done so yet), so that we can work with more clear information.

https://similarworlds.com/support


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As to the user's recent offensive post:

I coincidentally happen to see the post Title in my feed, shortly after the post went live (but I didn't click to open).

I did pause for a moment at it, as at first glance it appeared to be unacceptable content, against the TOS.

Then upon reading the post preview more clearly, it seemed to be one of those "Dark Humor" types of posts (of which there are a lot on here, yet I'm not fond of), and I just and moved on.


I can agree with a user's suggestion, that the post should [u]At the Least[/u] been labeled much differently, as [b][Adult] + [Sensitive][/b].


Nonetheless, the user has already received a Final Warning for his inappropriate behavior so far.



[c=666666][[b]PINNED[/b] as an official SW Staff response to query.][/c]
GeistInTheMachine · 31-35, M
@Andrew Wow. MeToo Denied.
@Andrew ty for all you do. 🦋
Miram · 31-35, F
@Andrew

So I just went through our private chat. I made the mistake of thinking I mentioned his name when talking about his victim but apparently I haven't because at the time we were discussing something else.

The teen he was grooming and requested pictures from was using an adult account which I did directly mention to you. Which made it easy for him to contact her.

I will submit a ticket mentioning her account. Besides checking their private chat also check the public exchanges where he was harassing her after she didn't send him pictures. I believe I already reported that part but might not have mentioned his motivation in the report.

I can't retrieve the evidence from HER PM, I can only send you a link to the profile of his victim
Viper · M
@Andrew I don't know about the underage stuff, but I promise you he has repeatedly brought up adult women in negative manners just to insult them and play head games, which some have absolutely asked/told him to stop and he's only continued and made it worse.

Also final warning or not, he'll test your limits and be back and do it again, even if you have banned him.


[quote]From what we can see so far, the user being complained about, actually has LESS (private/PM) Interactions with any known Minors on this site, than the average Male user on SW, per our generated interaction data.[/quote]

So you track/view average users PMs too? Or what is the "generated interaction data"?

Also are "known Minors" just ones that admit they're under aged? Because I'm betting most don't...

I know when I was a minor, I sure didn't admit to being a minor to websites.
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@Andrew this thread is entirely unfair and the accusations lack any validity. [removed by staff] is clearly being ganged up by a bunch of users who dislike him. You could
Make a thread with literally any user here and this exact thing will happen

The reality is if everyone is so concerned about being abused they should block him.

It’s not like he is circumventing blocks and harassing people. These users will go so far to complain about him a mile long in the comments when they have made absolutely no attempt to block him

To me this logic is nonexistent on this one

And with the “proof” users will goes on about him doing this or that. yet no one has any screenshots or proof. which I find wild because someone literally posted a screenshot of a conversation with another user from two years ago in this post somewhere.

yet no one can come up with evidence supporting [removed by staff] has done anything wrong.

I don’t think a user should be banned because a bunch of people want to play victim 🤷‍♀️ Sure he could be warned.
@DeluxedEdition I’ve never made a post about rape where I ask if it’s really rape if the woman was aroused. I’m not necessarily saying he should be banned, but it was valid enough for a final warning. And yes, I do have him blocked because I find him and his posts very distasteful.
@Andrew thank you for personally responding to this post, this is what makes SW unique.

Had the user labelled the post adult and sensitive when i asked i would not have filed a report, however this has not been the first time i have had to report him.

As for the other accusations, I have not made these as I have not seen anything myself, but I know Miram has integrity and if she has been made aware of a situation I trust it will be something that warrants investigating.

Once again thank you....it has been an eventful couple of days !
Miram · 31-35, F
@Andrew

Sorry for tagging you again. I checked my PM and I could also find screenshots of another regular flirting with the same minor. I will include it all in the ticket and I hope you don't mind.
@InOtterWords @Miram 🖤🤗
Magenta · F
@DeluxedEdition [quote]You could make a thread with literally any user here and this exact thing will happen[/quote] Bingo. It's prevalent here. 🤮
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Viper · M
@Magenta I don't see where anyone made that quote... But maybe that person just has me blocked.

But I also disagree there's certain users that everyone seems to love.

And a lot of users that people don't give a s*** enough about to post s*** about them.

And not all of us would, like for the most part I didn't directly have a problem with him...

Until he started naming multiple women in negative post, attacking them... Over half of them asked him to stop it... He double down and made it worse.

Can't say I've seen many SW users do that...
@Magenta But only a select few would have a post minimizing rape and seeming to target the victims for enjoyment. He is one of those select few. It was bad enough he received a final warning.
revenant · F
@DarkHeaven I saw the question and I did not think it was THAT offensive at all. I know very well that the mere mention of the word will trigger a lot but the question itself could have been interesting. Had it been a woman asking the same about a man I do not think people would have been so offended.
Lots of double standards
Miram · 31-35, F
@Viper

He particularly is big on making public posts about others and harassment including after being blocked.
revenant · F
@DeluxedEdition well put
helenS · 36-40, F
@DeluxedEdition It really was not about "playing victim". Unless you think a victim of rape is "playing victim".
Z had asked:
"[i]Is it really rape if a woman becomes physically aroused while being 'raped'?[/i]"
I was one of those who asked him nicely to delete his post. I also said to him that I will mute him if he doesn't.
He refused, and startet attacking us.
I do not know whether anyone reported him to the admins. At least, I didn't. His post was horrible and tasteless, but I've seen worse on SW.
An hour later the post was removed, and Z was temporarily banned.
@Andrew Of course, let’s not forget that claims like this can damage a persons name
@DeluxedEdition Good comment!
@Darksideinthenight2 It was that bad yet you didn’t keep the evidence or report it? Rubbish!
revenant · F
@helenS is it really rape if a MAN becomes physically aroused while being raped ?

methink not too many would have been triggered by this one
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@revenant I had the same thought as you. but they will gang up on whoever they don’t like with whatever excuse they can come up with
@revenant I absolutely would have. Please don’t speak for me. I personally know of a male here that was raped and abused as a child and young teen by men. Please don’t assume what any of us think or feel.
Viper · M
@revenant and you would be wrong...
DeluxedEdition · 26-30, F
@Darksideinthenight2] [quote] And u want proof ugly[/quote]

Unnecessary

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