I Hate Nazism

@BookOfSouls85 "BOTH sides of the divide"??

@BookOfSouls85 Unfortunately, one side has the tacit support of the current U.S. president.

@BookOfSouls85 What does "BOTH sides of the divide" mean?...Please elaborate for me....I don't know what "Both sides" you're talking about....Republicans and Democrats?....Conservatives and Liberals?..Neo-Nazis and Non-neo-Nazis?...Name the "both sides"

@Drummer Both set of extremists on both sides of the political divide are problematic, though in different ways:

On the Left: Antifa and their associated violence, anti-white rhetoric, SJW/BLM terrorists.

On the Right: Nazis, KKK, anti-Black/Immigrants etc.

Is there a need for either to be as hateful and vitriolic?

@BookOfSouls85 What does "SJW" stand for?

@Drummer SJW - Stupid Juvenile Whinger (or Social Justice Warrior).

@BookOfSouls85 I’m guessing you thought Martin Luther King, Jr. was an “anti-white terrorist”, too ? A lot of people did at the time. Of course [b]now[/b] they claim otherwise. BLM was established because some police were murdering unarmed black people, no due process, no 4th Amendment protections. And you’d probably consider me a SJW (social justice warrior) because I’m anti-racism (which means I’ve [b]also[/b] defended more than a few whites in my lifetime, including my [b]mother[/b]), anti-sexism, anti-homophobia.
People like you are most hateful because you ignore groups like the Nazis and the KKK who actually murdered and lynched thousands of people with impunity.

@BookOfSouls85 (From Wikipedia) "'Social justice warrior' is a pejorative term for an individual who promotes socially progressive views, including feminism, civil rights, and multiculturism"...Also from Wikipedia is this regarding 'Antifa'.."The Antifa movement is a conglomeration of autonomous, self-styled anti-Fascist groups in the U.S."...There is absolutely no mention of "anti-white rhetoric" so I don't know where you got that from... Your description of Black Lives Matter members as "terrorists" implies that you consider anyone opposed to Trump, "White Nationalists" or neo-Nazis as terrorists, which is ridiculous, (in my opinion)........Are you a Trump supporter?

@bijouxbroussard Lol, talk about jumping to conclusions - I'd point you in the direction of Jonathan Pie's video made in the aftermath of Trump's victory, but no doubt you'll screech and rage that he is hateful for not agreeing with you.

You and Drummer are the sort of people who handed Trump victory; if people oppose you they are wrong and must be hated upon. No - take a minute out and realise that there is simply no need for the fighting and violent rhetoric on either side.

I too have defended people, but I don't go around online demanding praise and adherence. Wow, you're a good person - here, have a medal. Virtue-signalling is great isn't it?

I personally support none of Trump, Clinton, May, Corbyn, Farage, Brexit, the EU etc. It's all a sack of crap and when screeching and hate-filled morons have ruined the art of debate and democracy then quite frankly we deserve the world we live in.

Also, Bijoux, that was a lie where you said I ignored the KKK and Nazis - I said that they were/are indeed hateful.

Anybody who threatens the freedom and peace of anybody else is a terrorist, regardless of race/colour/gender etc. The 'Nationalism' you describe is an infantile disease on both sides - we are human beings and the sooner we get on the better, otherwise we may as well give up as a species.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUu46J_OHQ4 -- even CNN calls Antifa 'violent'.

@BookOfSouls85 Did you or did you not vote for Trump?

@Drummer I'm in the UK, not a USA citizen, so you tell me.

@BookOfSouls85 So basically you don’t even freaking [b]live[/b] here yet you’ve decided that BLM and SJW are “terrorists”.
Yes, I’m angry at the KKK, and I have no use for their apologists. They have murdered people in this country and traditionally some belonged to their local police departments so there were no repercussions. And I’m not looking for any “kudos” for not being racist. No one should be a racist. But a fine point that has clearly escaped you is that being anti-white supremacist is [b]not[/b] the same as “anti-white rhetoric”.

Oh dear...

When the USA has the angry flu of extremism, other countries like the UK are likely to get similar colds.

If you can't (or won't) see that violence on either side is not the solution and is completely unjustified, then you are part of the problem.

People have had enough - even SJW's and people who consider themselves as Liberals are now realising that shouting abuse and insults does not work, and if you're offended and triggered then stay in your safe space whilst the rest of us try and sort out the problems.

We do have SJW's here in the UK as well - some are complete fruit-loops, but others at least will try and explain their stance without raging. Most mean well, but as with every group there are one or two idiots who ruin it for others - same as with Conservatives, not all are racist but there are some who go too far.

Nobody should be a racist, but when you are against the prevailing view and think outside the box and do not go with the flow you are a racist or a deplorable. How the hell do you think people are going to react to that - 'wow, somebody insulted and abused me, I'd best do as they say'.

There are plenty of examples of SJW violence and intimidation online, and no these are not all alt-right websites. Newsweek, BBC, CNN etc. all contain stories about the type of violence used by these people.

Besides, when you point out to BLM supporters that most crime against black people is black on black, they all of a sudden lose credibility. If you want to defeat racism (and who doesn't) wouldn't it be better finding out why people are racist? I worked with a charity which tried to find out why people were racist and homophobic - a lot of the reasons are down to mental conditions, some of which could be easily helped but others needed more work - if hatred is deep-seated then it takes longer to eradicate.

I would personally not hesitate to drop them all in the Grand Canyon - KKK, Nazis, Antifa, the whole lot.

@BookOfSouls85 Sigh. That’s because that [b]is[/b] the typical racist’s reply: “Don’t you folks kill each other ?”
Not all of us do, I’m pleased to report. But the people making the point generally think [b]all[/b] black people are criminals, so of course to them there’s no difference. Can you imagine what it must be like to worry about being harmed by both the criminals in one’s neighborhoods [b]and[/b] the police who are supposedly there to protect you ? Probably not. I’m wasting my time here.

Actually, I take people pretty much as I find them.

I've not fallen into the trap of thinking that all black people are bad, might be a cliched thing to say but having had (and still having) black, asian, hispanic friends and associates I like them because they are good people. True, some black people I dislike but that is not because of the colour of their epidermis - rather it is because they are bad people (involved with car crime, drug trafficking, pimping etc).

I can only imagine it is hell on earth to have both criminals and police against you, but I still maintain that educating people away from crime and having good positive role models (including Fathers - funnily enough BLM should be majorly hating on Bill Clinton for his views that black father's do not matter when they do).

I grew up on an estate where drugs and alcohol were the main issue, rather than skin colour, so I do know some (not all, by any means) of the issues you describe. The police were useless, though they have now changed a lot, and we did fear pushers etc. on the estate after dark.

I still maintain that there has to be discussion and debate towards solving this and other issues. My OP is that violence and shouting solves nothing.