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@Roundandroundwego Thank you.
I'm not sure how much different that really is than the White Protestant reactions to Irish Catholics, Eastern European Jews, or Chinese and Japanese immigrants in the past, but off the bat, the world is a different place and there's no more American Frontier to escape from or to.
In Trump v. Hawaii (2018), Roberts spoke negatively about Korematsu without overruling it, but its a different Court now, and we now have a vibrant shadow docket which could breathe new life into Korematsu pretty quickly and easily.
Personally, I'd be horrified, and I'm hoping that birthright citizenship gets to the Court before camps, national security and the enemy within, because that would be harder to swallow for conventional Constitutional analysis. But not that much harder than Presidential Immunity.
I'm not sure how much different that really is than the White Protestant reactions to Irish Catholics, Eastern European Jews, or Chinese and Japanese immigrants in the past, but off the bat, the world is a different place and there's no more American Frontier to escape from or to.
In Trump v. Hawaii (2018), Roberts spoke negatively about Korematsu without overruling it, but its a different Court now, and we now have a vibrant shadow docket which could breathe new life into Korematsu pretty quickly and easily.
Personally, I'd be horrified, and I'm hoping that birthright citizenship gets to the Court before camps, national security and the enemy within, because that would be harder to swallow for conventional Constitutional analysis. But not that much harder than Presidential Immunity.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@MistyCee immigrants come for lots of different reasons and in different size groups. The people who live in a country before they arrive are not always doing well enough to assimilate anyone, but typically Americans have done very well. That's not true now, here, and from what I hear, That's also no longer true true across France, the UK and the Netherlands - the people came in big groups, we see them sticking with each other, the Christian Dems in Holland, the PS in France and the Democrats in the USA call people racist for talking about it.
@Roundandroundwego I really can't speak for other countries, but I expect it wasnt all that different with Britons, Anglo-Saxons and Vikings.
In the US, in the city where I live we still have an Irish Channel (in which few Irish people still live), we have Chinatowns in lots of places, and ethnic neighborhoods like the Upper East Side, Little Italy, Harlem, etc, are pretty clear evidence that waves of immigrants tend to huddle together, at least for a generation or so.
The racist tag/smear, whatever you want to call it, is, I think, distracting, because what makes "the other" can be religion or, language, and isn't just about race or skin color.
How is it any different now? I'm not saying it's not, but while history doesn't necessarily repeat itself, there are patterns that repeat.
I think that a lot of the MAGA movement is about that, yearning for the good old days, when women and blacks knew their place or could be put there by force, the post War US economy was soaring, schools were segregated, there was a GI Bill, and of course, we all had an enemy to unite us in the Communist countries.
In the US, in the city where I live we still have an Irish Channel (in which few Irish people still live), we have Chinatowns in lots of places, and ethnic neighborhoods like the Upper East Side, Little Italy, Harlem, etc, are pretty clear evidence that waves of immigrants tend to huddle together, at least for a generation or so.
The racist tag/smear, whatever you want to call it, is, I think, distracting, because what makes "the other" can be religion or, language, and isn't just about race or skin color.
How is it any different now? I'm not saying it's not, but while history doesn't necessarily repeat itself, there are patterns that repeat.
I think that a lot of the MAGA movement is about that, yearning for the good old days, when women and blacks knew their place or could be put there by force, the post War US economy was soaring, schools were segregated, there was a GI Bill, and of course, we all had an enemy to unite us in the Communist countries.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@specman but they'd be illegal everywhere they try to enter and stay.
@Roundandroundwego not their homeland
MayorOfCrushtown · M
ahhhh, you are American ??? "our country"
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@MayorOfCrushtown that was fifty years ago. They're not learning the language - they want bilingual education in Ukrainian. They have huge parties in the parks in other languages, don't even make eye contact with the local population. There's a no English public health clinic with a portrait of a Mexican bull fighter in the lobby. They'll find an English speaker if you need.
MayorOfCrushtown · M
@Roundandroundwego they wont learn the language....... but, their kids will, and their grandkids will.
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
@MayorOfCrushtown maybe, but I've seen previous people doing that, their babies speak English and speak with me! Not anymore. Not these people. I'm not saying it won't happen, but they're not doing it anymore.
