The master race

@LordShadowfire how am I?

@pianoplayingsteve You are literally defending terminology used in his autobiography, and claiming he wasn't trying to create a master race. You are calling into question the impartiality of the Nuremberg trials. What the heck would you call that?

@LordShadowfire I’m calling out the fact that this was never a thing the nazis did. I don’t care for hitler but I’m both passionate about truth and history. Furthermore:

Alfred Rosenberg (NS theorist and ideologue):
I have never heard the word "master race" ("Herrenrasse") as often as in this court room. To my knowledge, I did not mention or use it at all in my writings. I leafed through my Writings and Speeches again and did not find this word…
Translations from German into English are so often wrong-and just as in that last document you have submitted to me, I heard again the translation of "Herrenrasse." In the document itself "Herrenrasse" is not even mentioned; however, there is the term "en fallacious Herrenmenschentum" (a false master mankind). Apparently everything is translated here in another sense.


Otto Ohlendorf (The Commander of Einsatzgruppe D):
”The office for racial politics [Rassenpolitisches Amt der NSDAP] dealing with such racial problems never represented this [master race / herrenrasse] theory.”

Hans Fritzsche (a senior member in the Goebbels' Ministry of Propaganda):
‘I never set up or voiced the theory of the "master race." I even avoided this term. I expressly prohibited this term being used by the German press and the German radio when I was in charge of one or the other. I believe that the term "master race" played a greater role in the anti-National Socialist propaganda than in Germany proper.

I admit that German propaganda spread the racial theory, but I deny that German propaganda spread the theory of the "master race."

it wasn't used. end of story

@pianoplayingsteve I pretty much stopped paying attention after that sentence.

@LordShadowfire and why is that?

@pianoplayingsteve Because it doesn't matter what they called it. They were clearly trying to make a master race.

@LordShadowfire how is it ‘clear’ they were trying to create a master race?

@pianoplayingsteve Jesus Christ! What do you THINK they were doing?!? Rounding up people who weren't "Aryan" and throwing them into camps, LITERALLY inventing eugenics... what do YOU call that?

@LordShadowfire I’ll quote ‘Jesus christ’ at your ACTUAL ignorance now.

‘LITERALLY inventing eugenics’, no they didn’t. Racial ‘science’ was the norm all over the world at that point. You can read volumes on how different leaders, scientists and historians treated what they saw as a hierarchy in racial differences. Just off the top of my head I remember one proponent theorise that the shape of ones skull is indicates how much of an expansionist and risk taker you would be.

And as for the treatment of the disabled, eugenics was also very popular leading up to and during Hitlers leadership. Churchill had tried to have the mentally handicapped sterilised, but then settled with life long institutionalization. America had laws up until 1975 making it a criminal offence for someone with a physical disability to seen in person. The Spartans would bludgeon to death any infant born with a disfigurement.

I could go on for a long time with both, as they were both universal norms. It’s just that now society is different, it takes the nazis as the ultimate evil and so puts everything solely onto the nazis that we don’t like and then say ‘you are literally Hitler’ if said person doesn’t agree that something you claimed the nazis did was evil.

And just think through it logically. Yeah Hitler was a eugenicist. In war time, you send the strongest of your nation off to die. And their superior dreams are took out the gene pool with them. Leaving only the weaker genetic stock at home to continue to continue the race. Yet he apparently wanted to simultaneously take over the world with his strongest members, but also do eugenics, but also carry out a Holocaust, and also eradicate communism. There’s only so much you can do having inherited an economy so bad that a loaf of bread cost the equivalent of over US$60,000. You should look up the term ‘atrocity propaganda’ and consider what happens to that propaganda when the people pushing it become the victors.

@pianoplayingsteve That's nice and all, but we weren't talking about Winston Churchill, the Spartans, or anyone else. We were talking about Germany. We were talking about Hitler. So you can dispense with the "tu quoque" fallacies and stick to the subject.

@LordShadowfire your claim was that he invented eugenics. Displaying that he didn’t isn’t a fallacy. But lying is a fallacy.