I Am A Real Werewolf

Okay, Listen Up... Alright, I am both physically and mentally tired, and I am also tired of having to say the same thing over and over again. So, let us just clarify about the concept of biting. I will try to make this as simple as possible.

First: there is no known evidence to validate the concept that a werewolf can change another person into a werewolf.

Second: the concept, even in myths and legends, barely if at all existed before the age of movies because, while it lacks logic in real life, it is an excellent plot device to show a person's life "changing" from being socially awkward to being confident and cool, or just to make you feel sorry for their "curse".

Third: there is no good justification for wanting to be a werewolf or anything other than what you are because changing what you are will not change who you are and, most of the time, people only want to be changed because they do not like their current life. So, instead of facing their problems, they seek a release. They want to run away and be in the woods and feel the wind on their face and be free, etc. In reality, life is not that simple. Your problems do not cease to exist just because you ignore them. In fact, almost all of the time, they get worse.

Fourth: any person who would actually come to where you are and bite you to "change" you is not someone you would want near you in the first place. No real wolf is going to out themselves so easily, much less take the time and money to drive or fly to your house and put their mouth on a stranger's body.

Fifth: because you are wanting to become a werewolf, I would assume then that you do not know what it is like to be a werewolf. You will not be super-strong, be able to hear someone whispering a mile away, become magickally "cooler" as a person, or join some battle between werewolves and vampires. You will be a person who is inescapably different from the general public. You will be laughed at for even mentioning the word "werewolf". You will have nightmares about being chased or chastised. You will cry at times because you know you are not alone, but you still feel separated and dwarfed by a mass of people who might either not believe in you or even hate you. To be so different in a world that deifies the concept of normality is not an easy life. If you are this way, then you learn to accept and live with it, but there is no logical reason to wish for it. I do not believe in normality, but I still would not wish for someone to be so different and have to live so conflicted.

Finally, to all who wish to be bitten and "changed", please just ask yourself this one question: why do you want to be a werewolf? Tell me honestly that you think you have a good reason for changing what you are; one that it is actually worthwhile and not some selfish desire to change yourself because you cannot deal with your own problems in life. If you think you have a good and justified answer to this, then feel free to say it.

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DeannaJo

I agree with all of your points.
Except having to add (on account of point 1 in your post) that, just because there is no solid evidence or scientific explanation available to the public, does not automatically and fully dismiss that possibility or render it completely and definitely untrue.
There is no real evidence of "born werewolves" or shifters, either...other than lore, written "testimonies" and personal accounts and experiences, which (let's face it) could be so easily dismissed due to questionable credibility. Yet, people apparently favor that option over "the bite", they even preach it and a lot of kids blindly worship that notion as an absolute truth.
Yes, you did not explicitly say that you exclude all possibility of physically-acquired lycanthropy, but it was somewhat implied. So, that is the only thing in your post I disagree with to some extent, but other than that - your post is pretty much true and smart.
However, I wouldn't hope people will learn from it. Posts like this one tend to fail reaching those who are too comfortable with their own idealistic fantasies to ever give them up.

Drachona · 31-35, M

Let me clear one thing up right now, just because I don't want anyone to be confused: I was not making any statements about the certain existence or nonexistence of werewolves or about the possibility of the physical shift. Perhaps, in my second point, one might misunderstand, but I state quite clearly that the post is about the concept of being changed into a werewolf through bite. That was my whole point. I was responding the constant requests to be bitten and changed. I hoped that it would at least be something that people in the future would see before they go around begging to be bitten. I could not even count how many people have asked me to bite them and how many times I had to explain to them that, to the best of my knowledge, the bite concept was bull and also that they did not need to be changed; that there is no justification and that the desire most likely derived from wanting to escape their real problems. I am not dismissing the idea altogether, but I am arguing that there is no real evidence for it and that, even if it were real, that does not mean it would be right. If you knew the reality of being something like that, combined with constantly having people dismiss your existence without a thought of how deeply that might hurt (assuming it is true), I doubt you would so easily encourage someone who wanted to live that way because it sounds "cool".

DeannaJo

Like I said, one can only hope to put kids off that idea, but sadly it is a futile effort, most of the time.
Because - "I don't care about the consequences, it's totally my destiny to become *whatever*, it's what I want and you can't tell me what to do or change my mind."
Hopefully, maybe one out of ten of them might listen.

AtheistWolf

Most likely not if they were real I'd be doing the same thing as those others

DeannaJo

And, since that would qualify as childish, reckless and selfish behaviour, caused by immaturity and a lack of knowledge about the subject - I can only conclude that you are also nothing but a bored child with an oversized sense of self-importance. Turnings are chance occurrences, not a part of the "Make-A-Wish Foundation" program.

AtheistWolf

i dont see your point im wrong for saying i'd want what i see as a gift are people wrong for saying they wish they were rich or wish they had super powers

DeannaJo

Does being a werewolf make you rich? No. Does it give you superpowers? Nothing useful.
You say my point is invalid, yet I don't see how yours is any different. You say you don't believe in werewolves, meaning you've never seen one or done proper research (because if you have, you'd believe/know). Considering you DON'T know...what is it exactly that makes you want to be a werewolf? Why do you want it? You've given no other reason other than "if they were real, I'd want to". That is selfish and childish reasoning. Sort of like saying "just because". Seeing lycanthropy as a source of superpowers and becoming awesome or whatever - also childish and selfish. It's all for satisfying your capricious desire to be something "supernatural" and special. You've made that pretty clear with everything you've said so far, in case you try to pull out the "but, no, I want to protect friends/family/whoever, be a superhero and do good" card. Too late for that.
Since no werewolf anywhere, ever, would turn you just because your egotistical 15 year old narcissist self happens to want it or feel entitled to it, maybe you should just go back to living your life thinking werewolves are fictional and being all perfect, supersmart and awesome for your age. You obviously can't seem to learn anything here and the "I appreciate a good argument" excuse is getting a bit old on this site (especially when used by people who can't even carry one). If you are so capable and gifted, you don't even need to become a werewolf to be special...why not stop wasting time and written word on using the same pointless arguments over and over, only rephrased, never making a decent point?
You "want the gift". Explain. Why? Based on what? Do you have any clue about it?
"Want" it. I want human stupidity to disappear - no such luck. Quite obviously.

AtheistWolf

I would want the gift because I see at a chance for more power and with that power I would be forever in the debt of the one who changed you keep saying haven't done reaserch but there is no proof other wise it would have been said so publicly here is the proof werewolves walk among us and all I know is that there are supposedly different species of werewolf and depending on your breed determines your capabilities and you can't have a intelligent debate with the people here because like you they feel the need to insult rather than bluntly get to the point and as far as based on what t.v and legends there is not much to go on besides that and you call me stupid yet my I.q and every adult I talk to says otherwise I'm just a narcissistic asshole who can't take someone telling him no or saying I'm wrong because and this may come as a shocker to you I'M ONLY 15 I TURN 16 IN NOVEMBER SO I STILL HAVE MATURING TO DO WHICH I KNOW BUT THERE IS NO POINT IN ME CARING WHOSE "Feelings" I HURT IF THEY ARE SO WEAK AND DUMB TO CARE WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAY OR THINK ABOUT THEM OR WHETHER OR NOT SOMEONE IS MEAN TO THEM PEOPLE ON HERE INSULT ME BUT I TAKE IT IN STRIDE NOT LIKE A PUNK AND Here's A IDEA IF SOMEONE ANNOYS YOU BLOCK THAT MOFO

DeannaJo

The reason no valuable information on the subject gets released to the public are people like you.
You aren't even worth arguing with, and even if I wanted to humor you and keep encouraging this pointless ranting of yours - I've already got a headache and I'd rather not make it worse by reading your incoherent hissy fits. Feel free to bitch at someone else, but at least have the decency to apply your "supermassive IQ" to using some punctuation. I understand you must be angry for not being debate champion here, but this isn't about winning a discussion. This is about knowledge. It's only conversation and you, child, are getting way too pissy and giving yourself too much credit. You are online, kid. All of this means nothing, at least not to me, because you have no valid arguments which would in any way affect or concern me and what I know to be true. How about you try doing something in the real world, with all your intelligence and capabilities? Do you think playing the big, bad, Mensa-smart teen online makes you seem as intelligent as you claim? No. A high IQ does not mean smart. I know geniuses with 180+ IQs, who are completely incompetent, life-wise. It's not how big it is - it's how you use it. That applies to a lot of things in life.
Now run along and bother someone else. I don't need to block you, nothing about you is significant enough for me to perceive as threatening or impossible to handle. All I'm going to do is ignore you, because that's what I do about small, meaningless things.
Take care now, don't strain that superintelligent brain too much.

AtheistWolf

Well sir, if I were making a formal essay I would use more punctuation.I use my brain very well but what you seem so hell bent on forgetting is these are my views. I'm simply saying my views then some one chooses to care about others opinions and has a hissy fit. I'm glad I can block out any emotions I don't like.

Drachona · 31-35, M

AtheistWolf, stop. You are doing nothing but perpetuating a useless argument. DeannaJo, I understand what you say, and I can tell you were frustrated. I would have suggested that you end this argument, but you have already provided it with one. Remember though, even if you are angry, their is a difference between supported statements about someone and just plain insulting words. No good end can come to a battle of insults. Rather, the conclusion must be either one of agreement or understanding. You two may not agree with each other, but this argument is relatively fruitless and has gathered more insults than genuine points. AtheistWolf, we all understand your perspective. Thus, there is no reason to repeat it unless you are asked to. More importantly, if someone insults you, you need to just ignore it. Responding in kind will get you nowhere. And, if you have to respond, do so maturely. Respond to the points raised and ignore the insults. If there are no points made and if there is no legitimate reason to respond, then do not bother to.