The best evidence against intelligent design of life is the fact that we pewp.
When your design process isn't bound to any limitations whatsoever, why would anyone choose to make something that only utilizes half of its food and turns the rest of it into smelly waste that causes all kinds of diseases? 🤷
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@Fishy fair point. It's technically not all wasteful indeed. Though an all powerful being could have made a way to feed plants that doesn't cause so many diseases and the scent could easily have been pleasant too.
@newjaninev2 most plants are good indeed. That still doesn't explain why they need feces to grow in a system where everything could have been possible.
@NerdyPotato I guess the smell isn't pleasant to us because it's not meant for us, it's meant for plants, which is kinda a protection in a way,
It's the same reason pain warns us that something ain't right
And the disease thing, I often wonder if thats humans fault, It all seems to start when humans mess with the natural cycle of things 😬
If we're talking biblical, I think I read somewhere once that disease and suffering wasn't something that was originally intended? And some other deep lore?
@Fishy true, he only added that after we sinned, which he knew we would do before he created the first molecule and he could have forgiven us instead of punishing us for something we didn't understand. Whether it was the original or adjusted plan, the fact remains that everything was a choice between literally infinite options and it's pretty easy to imagine better things.
Complex systems become corrupted and dysfunctional, especially those in a complex environment within which they must interact with other complex systems. Faults occur, and if those fault are replicated along with the rest of the system, disease results.
@NerdyPotato You keep saying that you know what an all powerful being can do and then say I'm the one "redefining things in different ways than the bible explicitly states it."
@NerdyPotato This is actually pretty interesting, from what I understand, they weren't punished for something they didn't understand, not only did they know what they were doing, but they had to fight a deeply ingrained instinct to do what they did.
Hence, going against what was natural.
So I guess whether you believe in creation or evolution, the moral of the story is: there are some things you just shouldn't tamper with? Like opening Pandora's box, so to speak
You got me on the infinite possibility thing tho. I guess everything needs boundaries to an extent? maybe to remain consistent with a cycle of things? I dunno, lol
Not trying to push anything, just exploring thoughts and concepts 😶🌫
Evolution doesn't require any belief whatsoever. What is required is a complete, consistent, and coherent, explanation of the evidence. The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection does exactly that.
they weren't punished for something they didn't understand
Did they know that before eating from the tree of knowledge though? It's also interesting that they covered up the second they learned about good and evil. Doesn't that imply being naked is evil (according to the bible, not my judgment)? So why did God intent them to live that way?
Here me out. This is why I took so much offense at your saying I was making things up about what the Bible says and why you probably didn't properly understand my response that what the Bible says doesn't really matter.
There is so much nuance in the way we communicate that how we do that, especially through the spoken or written word, can be inaccurate or even deceptive. For example, I said the omni's were religious nonsense, and they are, but not for the reasons you stated. A very important part of accurate understanding is where the words being used come from. The why, who, what, and when of them as well. So, omni, a Latin word comes from omnis which means all or every. Religion thinks God is omnipresent, meaning he's everywhere simultaneously but the Bible says his position is fixed in heaven. He can't come here to this universe anymore than we could go inside a birdhouse we created. They also say he is omnipotent, meaning he is all powerful, and he is, but not in the way they say or you suggest.
Think of it like this: humans are omnivores. Does that mean they can eat every and all things? Broken glass? Poison? Nuclear explosions or the space time continuum? It simply means they eat meat and plant. Part of the problem is people often take religious ideas to an extreme rather than thinking about them much, and then it becomes tradition. The traditions of men.
Also, there is the way words evolve. Gay, queer, fag, for example. Hell. And how no Bible is perfect and translations often reflect religious traditions instead of what it actually says. So, Jesus never died on a cross. We know this for a variety of reasons but when I say that someone can site many Bible passages that use the word cross. Translated from the word stauros which means a piece of timber, it has meant, over the centuries, a single upright pole, tree, t, T, X shaped, multiple pieces, etc. In Jesus' day the Romans used a single upright pole like the Hebrews used. They crucified (a word that means to be fastened to something, like Prometheus was crucified, fastened to rock or the earth) a lot of people in an area that was more a desert. Not a lot of trees. Why would they use two pieces when they only needed one? Later the Roman cross changed into various shapes. The one Constantine used was an odd one:
The Egyptians had their own, the Christians use the later Roman cross, even after Constantine. He lived ~300 years after Christ. He was a pagan sun worshipper. They used the crosses because they were fertility symbols. Phallic symbols, representing the male penis. Christians and Jews thought of the cross as a filthy or dungy idol. God called it that when he said his priests were shoving their penis in his face because Tammuz, known as Nimrod or the Sumerian King Dumuzid, was the originator of the cross. His priests were carving the shape into the walls of his temple. (Ezekiel 8) Later the Pharisees, or Scribes, the copyists of the Hebrew Bible changed the words around in the verse that says that because it was such an offensive concept to them. They changed it to say they shoved the shoot, cross, filthy idol in their own noses. They did that in a lot of places but for some reason it is traditionally referred to as 18 emendations. The Tiqqun Soferim or emendations/corrections of the scribes. They aren't corrections, though. Not really. They are distortions.
Anyway, you have to have studied for years as I have in order to correctly understand the importance and accuracy of what the Bible says. You also have to take into account a lot of other things. When you say things like "God is love" or "God is all powerful" the Bible may appear to say or actually say those things but to know the true meaning is important. Not the traditions of men. Or loathsome religion.
You can think of it like this. It's like a child insisting that man evolved from an ape to a professor of evolution. A lot of people may not understand that man is an ape, he didn't evolve from an ape - the kid may have heard that often. But it's wrong.
