Objections to Evolution

@helenS I'll agree in theory. Have our sciences evolved beyond what we can know? This I truly would love to know, or are they, equally subject to we 'think, therefore it's so''?

@thewindupbirdchronicles There are matters of fact, and models which are used to explain facts.
Example. We know that the effective temperature of the sun's "surface" (the photosphere) is equal to 5,504 °C. That's an immediate consequence of applying Planck's radiation law (which has been confirmed a million times in laboratory experiments) to the spectral distribution of solar radiation.
Science has established a model of how the sun works (proton proton chain, CNO cycle etc.) to account for the things we observe. The model may be wrong, although that's extremely unlikely.
Models are models, they are plausible but they may be wrong.
Another example. The polar stratospheric ozone loss is a matter of fact, but the model to explain the loss on a molecular level is, at least in part, still a matter of debate.

@helenS I do not doubt on this level, I actually don't. I wonder the purpose at times, but that's another matter. But wouldn't it be possible if you throw one digit out of place, a lot of calculations become out of whack and new understandings are infinite?

@helenS I don't have the mind itself, you see, to question those things, but hopefully I keep one that says, let all possibilities be explored?

@thewindupbirdchronicles Exploring all possibilities is the realm of free-flight imagination.

Why not start with the evidence?

@thewindupbirdchronicles
Again, let’s start with the evidence

@newjaninev2 as I ask others to do this, and I ask them to keep exploring? How is that hard to imagine? But I know you love being right. :)

@newjaninev2 I've watched you berate people for their choices in belief to have the knowledge not to dance the tango you are looking for. Respectfully signed, me

@thewindupbirdchronicles Berate? Oh, I don’t think I get angry. Challenge, correct, or educate, perhaps...

In fact, I don’t give a dam for what you believe... I’m interested only in your evidence.

@newjaninev2 There exists the problem, in your. You, from what I have seen, always pick on topics about religion and for whatever they believe, which matters little, you project your 'beliefs', even if backed with evidence. I'm really no one critical of science or religion, just more there is other ways to approach subjects and life. I didn't even know my asking for more exploration, essentially, would catch you.

@newjaninev2 you mean, damn. let me correct you

@thewindupbirdchronicles Do you think that scientists develop an evidence-driven Theory and then stop there?

The very next thing that scientists do is to attack that Theory, and to devote enormous resources and effort to attempting to refute it.

I would love to refute the Theory of Evolution by natural Selection... it’s a personal dream for me.

That’s science at work. That’s science as it is done.

Question everything. Challenge everything. Seek further evidence. Seek even better explanations.

Every minute of every day

@thewindupbirdchronicles
No, I mean dam

When the British ruled India they deliberately devalued the Indian currency so they could buy everything cheaply. The smallest denomination of Indian coinage became essentially worthless. It was called the dam.

@newjaninev2 I think from my responses, I'm fair-minded. There is a way to deny evolution in natural selection, don't let those with power (stupid as a gear, just turning) have their simplistic way just because they had money. Welcome to politics; but you know this.

Science, itself, I'm for it - explore it - dive - but in another way I respect belief

@thewindupbirdchronicles You seem to be conflating the Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection (nowadays called the Modern Synthesis) and Victorian social mores.

The two are not related.

@newjaninev2 Oh.. I give you consent. I'll go back to listening to modern poets before you, thank you. Rummage around in your mind, the conversation.

@thewindupbirdchronicles
"Don’t you believe in flying saucers, they ask me? Don’t you believe in telepathy? — in ancient astronauts? — in the Bermuda triangle? — in life after death?
No, I reply. No, no, no, no, and again no.
One person recently, goaded into desperation by the litany of unrelieved negation, burst out “Don’t you believe in anything?”
Yes”, I said. “I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I’ll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.

Isaac Asimov

@newjaninev2 Okay - I'd rather let some things just be as they are, untold, but seem to love the things you don't want expressed. Here's a poem, doesn't fly in the face of science, but promises people ask other questions too

The ponies run, the girls are young
The odds are there to beat
You win a while, and then it's done
Your little winning streak
And summoned now to deal
With your invincible defeat
You live your life as if it's real
A thousand kisses deep
I'm turning tricks, I'm getting fixed
I'm back on boogie street
You lose your grip, and then you slip
Into the masterpiece
And maybe I had miles to drive
And promises to keep
You ditch it all to stay alive
A thousand kisses deep
And sometimes when the night is slow
The wretched and the meek
We gather up our hearts and go
A thousand kisses deep
Confined to sex, we pressed against
The limits of the sea
I saw there were no oceans left
For scavengers like me
I made it to the forward deck
I blessed our remnant fleet
And then consented to be wrecked
A thousand kisses deep
I'm turning tricks, I'm getting fixed
I'm back on boogie street
I guess they won't exchange the gifts
That you were meant to keep
And quiet is the thought of you
The file on you complete
Except what we forgot to do
A thousand kisses deep
And sometimes when the night is slow
The wretched and the meek
We gather up our hearts and go
A thousand kisses deep
The ponies run, the girls are young
The odds are there to beat
You win a while, and then it's done
Your little winning streak
And summoned now to deal
With your invincible defeat
You live your life as if it's real
A thousand kisses deep

@helenS We also KNOW that red shift is a tool that can be counted on to measure time until evidence came back that even Roger Penrose started changing his ideas. Science is only as good as the scientists and the tools they use. Current observations are constantly challenging what we know.

@Pfuzylogic Yes that's exactly how it works. That's the root of all scientific progress.

@helenS
That also means that things we know aren’t necessarily true and science affirms things we think we know.

@helenS Don't think I digressed from that?

@Pfuzylogic No empirical fact is ever necessarily true. It is not necessarily true that matter consist of atoms.

@helenS sort of where I was leading... thank you 🌹

@helenS
I am in total agreement there.
The way we characterize our reality is constantly changing!