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I live in Wales.

My country is part of UK but it is not England or Scotland. She is a small country but she has her own language. You will not hear Wales crying out for independence. We have been given our own government and this has brought to an end the burning of English homes, the blowing up of pipelines.
But any talk of reducing the powers of the Welsh government will re-ignite those flames and we've heard a few comments from the man in Number 10.
If you want the UK to continue, maybe you should think carefully who will lead it.

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firefall · 61-69, M

I think the UK (Great Britain plus Ireland) is guaranteed to disappear. Great Britain (England including Wales, plus Scotland) looks a bit shakey too, it might be back to England (with Wales, b/c that didnt merit a separate name apparently)

Blodyn · 22-25, F

@firefall Wales may have something to say about that. We are quite used to tearing down English road signs. It's why they are in Welsh now.

Blodyn · 22-25, F

I remember the AA complaining when we changed the Give Way signs to Ildiwch Give Way. How would English tourists know it was a Give Way sign?

firefall · 61-69, M

@Blodyn I would hope they do - the arrogance of the english ruling class always leave me marvelling at their sheer cheek

Blodyn · 22-25, F

Yet I haven't heard of any accidents yet!

Blodyn · 22-25, F

@firefall Wales has never been recognized as separate from England. The weather comes in from the west and England and Wales will have a wet day. Never Wales and England even though Wales gets it first!

firefall · 61-69, M

@Blodyn Right. Big thanks to Edward the 1st for that attitude, I guess 🙁

Blodyn · 22-25, F

@firefall If Scotland goes I don't see Wales staying for long. I would hope Cornwall will join us,

firefall · 61-69, M

@Blodyn thats my thinking, too. I wonder how Cumbria feels about rejoining Scotland at this late date, for that matter

Blodyn · 22-25, F

@firefall Actually England does not include Wales. It never has and never will.

Yulianna · 26-30, F

@firefall UK = Great Britain + Ireland?

is your history a little out of date? or are you a British Empire nostalgist?

firefall · 61-69, M

@Yulianna No, just a historian, that's how it happened - when England (or Britain) absorbed Scotland in 1707 (approx, cant be bothered looking it up), it officially became Great Britain. It didnt then become the United Kingdom until the Act of Union with Ireland (1798? or so).

Blodyn · 22-25, F

@firefall Cumbrian farmers still count their sheep in Welsh. Southern Scotland is so Welsh. Just over the border is Ecclefechan. Not far from the Welsh Eglwys fechan. Small church. And Mynyddig was king in Edinburgh while the Saxons were still scared of crossing the North Sea. Mynydd means mountain.

firefall · 61-69, M

@Blodyn Now that I'd never heard - thanks!! I thought the Picti had it over the Breitwalda in Cumbria a lot earlier, but clearly they didnt extend that far south.

Blodyn · 22-25, F

@firefall I don't know what they did but I know the sheep farmers still count in Welsh. Mountain people were always very resistant to invasion. You only have to cross the Welsh border to know you are no longer in England and even the signs on the motorway are in Welsh.

Yulianna · 26-30, F

@firefall and you don't think anything has changed since then?

Blodyn · 22-25, F

@Yulianna Since when?

Yulianna · 26-30, F

@Blodyn since 1798 or thereabouts... he says he is an historian, but he doesn't know the date.

Blodyn · 22-25, F

@Yulianna About whom are we speaking?

firefall · 61-69, M

@Yulianna I didnt say that nothing has changed, Im saying thats how the nomenclature evolved, and I see no reason it would be changed, as nomenclature

As for not knowing the specific date, this isn't a period I specialise in, so my reading on the subject is incidental, and quite a long time ago: getting hung up on specific dates really doesnt have much to do with history.

Yulianna · 26-30, F

@firefall i see, you are of the date free school of history... ok. apparently fact free, also.

but i am reassured that you are not getting hung up on specifics.

Yulianna · 26-30, F

@Blodyn firefall defines UK as Great Britain plus Ireland... the last hundred years seem to have passed him by, but then he says his study of history does not get hung up on specific dates.

wonderful.

Blodyn · 22-25, F

@Yulianna UK is Great Britain and Northern Ireland. But UK is becoming an idea rather than a fact. it's all beginning to unravel. Northern Ireland is effectively part of the EU. Scotland is only just in the UK. Wales has its own language and is making sure everyone uses it. I think quite a few English people would prefer to go it alone and be rid of their annoying neighbours.

Yulianna · 26-30, F

@Blodyn 🇺🇦❤🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 yes, probably... though there is a case for Wales and Scotland joining Ireland in a Celtic Federation.

Blodyn · 22-25, F

@Yulianna I would love to see that. And Cornwall and Brittany and the Isle of Man. Six similar languages and cultures. But it would have to be a very loose federation to avoid the mistakes of binding countries together. I understand that the Education Ministers of Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland already meet up regularly. It's why Wales is about to change its system of term dates away from the English model.